Hwoarang, the point Superboy Prime, myself and a few others are trying to say, is that you are lowering SF characters to the Tekken characters level. You admit they cannot win unless you nerf or negate the chi advantage. The SF characters are in a whole other league, and you are asking people to debate on straight H2H skill. But the SF characters are lightyears ahead of Tekken on sheer power and speed. It's one thing to remove special moves, but you demand the results of their training and 'chi boost' be negated and they rely only on their experience and straight fighting skills. You are in effect, removing what make the characters unique. If you want an H2H fight, use an earlier version like SFA, that makes it just about even.
The reason I made this fight was I was curious about the results of these two fighting. I realize now, that Ryu is probably too far above Iori storywise. My bad. surrender I'm making a slight change. SFA2 Ryu vs. Iori.
This fight is probably closer in power. Thoughts?
Originally posted by Superboy PrimeBecause thats not what I am getting at. In H2H I have saw SF do nothing Tekken can't do.
That's not what I'm trying to get at, but nice try. Ryu can still beat Jin without Chi. Everyone else sees it, why can't you?
I am not saying Jin wins I am saying its a close fight and it could go either way.
No one has called me by my name...thank you !!
Anyway I am going to do some matches on MUGEN to cheer myself up.
He's not weak, but he doesn't have the same experience as his SF3 counterpart. He's also emotionally troubled and conflicted due to the influence of the Satsui no hadou. He's still tough, but his mindset is jeopardized in my opinion. Iori on the other hand would have no problem with fighting Ryu and he's already used to the Orochi in him. The fight would be awesome IMO.
Not weak persay, more akin to having his focus disrupted. Like having a mental block. He's wondering whether his fighting style is corrupting him and whether Satsui no Hado is inescapable. The problem is he lacks confidence and focus, not power. I was thinking on a pure gameplay and storyline power basis. I hadn't considered his mental state. It's unfortunate that Iori doesn't have a similar crisis of faith in his abilities at any time. Otherwise, this would be closer. Yeah, Iori would win probably because of his willingness to fight harder and stronger fighting spirit. For the sake of arguement, Superboy, let's assume first, no Satsui no hado, and that this is SF3: 3rd impact Ryu mentally, but with the skills and power of SFA2 Ryu. Very interesting fight. I go with Iori of course, but even with his orochi blood, it would be a close fight.
2nd case: He's under the influence of Satsui no Hado and has become Evil Ryu. Obviously he's probably stronger than Iori, so let's release Iori's limiters and wake up the riot of blood. "SHAOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUU!!!!!" Ok then, now it's hard to say. I think Orochi Iori could win this, but if Evil Ryu gets off the Shun Goku Satsu, Iori is ****ed. But in a close combat, O. Iori would dominate. He is crazy fast in that form, and he beat BOTH KYO AND SHINGO, and that was after fighting Magaki. Ash only swiped his shit because he was drained.
In Evil Ryu's corner, he has the stronger fireballs, and greater air game. Not to mention the metsu shoryuken, metsu hadoken, the ashura senku and of course the shun goku satsu.
From what I can see, O. Iori has the speed advantage as well as unpredictability. Evil Ryu has the power advantage. O. Iori is a whirlwind of death, Evil ryu is pure destrutive force. Evil Ryu's techniques probably will do more damage if they connect, but in a long term fight, O. Iori could just wear him down with hit and run. It's a good fight either way.
That's my three cents.
Originally posted by Hwoarang
LOL So your tired of your favourite characters getten beaten. Sounds like a fanboy to me.So far in most of the H20 fights SF characters are losing. It just proves that they are all power attacks.
Without them they get owned.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestI've been saying this for the longest. People try to bring that s**t up against Iori all the time(a sign of desperation perhaps?). They need to realize that the character they are arguing for wouldn't have even made it past Kyo & Shingo. Hell, they might not have even made it past Magaki. Ash did what he did for a reason & that reason is that fighting a fresh Iori usually ends up w/you in the hospital....or worse. Iori could take SFA2 Ryu.
Not weak persay, more akin to having his focus disrupted. Like having a mental block. He's wondering whether his fighting style is corrupting him and whether Satsui no Hado is inescapable. The problem is he lacks confidence and focus, not power. I was thinking on a pure gameplay and storyline power basis. I hadn't considered his mental state. It's unfortunate that Iori doesn't have a similar crisis of faith in his abilities at any time. Otherwise, this would be closer. Yeah, Iori would win probably because of his willingness to fight harder and stronger fighting spirit. For the sake of arguement, Superboy, let's assume first, no Satsui no hado, and that this is SF3: 3rd impact Ryu mentally, but with the skills and power of SFA2 Ryu. Very interesting fight. I go with Iori of course, but even with his orochi blood, it would be a close fight.2nd case: He's under the influence of Satsui no Hado and has become Evil Ryu. Obviously he's probably stronger than Iori, so let's release Iori's limiters and wake up the riot of blood. "SHAOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUU!!!!!" Ok then, now it's hard to say. I think Orochi Iori could win this, but if Evil Ryu gets off the Shun Goku Satsu, Iori is ****ed. But in a close combat, O. Iori would dominate. He is crazy fast in that form, and he beat BOTH KYO AND SHINGO, and that was after fighting Magaki. Ash only swiped his shit because he was drained.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestGood post. Iori gets slept on here so much it's ridiculous. He's SNK's most powerful non-boss IMO. Orochi Iori is just murder. Orochi Iori vs Evil Ryu would be f**kin awesome.
In Evil Ryu's corner, he has the stronger fireballs, and greater air game. Not to mention the metsu shoryuken, metsu hadoken, the ashura senku and of course the shun goku satsu.From what I can see, O. Iori has the speed advantage as well as unpredictability. Evil Ryu has the power advantage. O. Iori is a whirlwind of death, Evil ryu is pure destrutive force. Evil Ryu's techniques probably will do more damage if they connect, but in a long term fight, O. Iori could just wear him down with hit and run. It's a good fight either way.
That's my three cents.
Good post. Iori gets slept on here so much it's ridiculous. He's SNK's most powerful non-boss IMO. Orochi Iori is just murder. Orochi Iori vs Evil Ryu would be f**kin awesome.
It's sad that SNK gets no respect on forums and in the fighting game community. Hell, nobody considers anyone from SNK in the top tier in CVS2. I have heard Yamazaki as the solo entrant in that regard.
Of course he's powerful. Consider how much the player version of Orochi Iori gets nerfed in CVS2. They gave him 3/4s of Iori's life (R2: 10600) (Iori's normal life at R2 is 14000), and knocked his attack power down from where it was in KOF. In boss rush mode, despite having crap hp, he still can beat down whole teams at R4. Incidently, Orochi Iori is tied with Evil Ryu on hp. He actually is one of the 8 bosses of CVS2, along with Bison, Geese, Rugal, Gouki, Evil Ryu, Shin Gouki and God Rugal. That is a high class crowd.
Btw, Thanks for the props dude. I agree, Iori is probably the toughest mother****er on SNK's side next to the bosses. Yeah, it would be sick as hell to see these two fight. I wonder if those SVC chaos comics Shin_Remy has have that fight?
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
It's sad that SNK gets no respect on forums and in the fighting game community. Hell, nobody considers anyone from SNK in the top tier in CVS2. I have heard Yamazaki as the solo entrant in that regard.Of course he's powerful. Consider how much the player version of Orochi Iori gets nerfed in CVS2. They gave him 3/4s of Iori's life (R2: 10600) (Iori's normal life at R2 is 14000), and knocked his attack power down from where it was in KOF. In boss rush mode, despite having crap hp, he still can beat down whole teams at R4. Incidently, Orochi Iori is tied with Evil Ryu on hp. He actually is one of the 8 bosses of CVS2, along with Bison, Geese, Rugal, Gouki, Evil Ryu, Shin Gouki and God Rugal. That is a high class crowd.
Btw, Thanks for the props dude. I agree, Iori is probably the toughest mother****er on SNK's side next to the bosses. Yeah, it would be sick as hell to see these two fight. I wonder if those SVC chaos comics Shin_Remy has have that fight?
You said it right there. If anything Capcom really seems to OWN on this forum.. just check out the CvS thread. About Iori being slept on per se...I have stated that this is ONE forum. Iori gets so much props else where... for christ sakes even on playmore's website Yagami is favored as KOF's best character.
You want to know a character that really gets slept on in these forums?..it's Ryo Sakazaki. Sure he has simular moves to Ryu but he also has different techinques not to mention he is totally diffrent from Ryu as in terms of Story and Character. He is a worthy character and certainley no weakling...hell he was a boss character in both WA and FFS But here he is talked about like a joke.
Originally posted by P-Geyser
You said it right there. If anything Capcom really seems to OWN on this forum.. just check out the CvS thread. About Iori being slept on per se...I have stated that this is ONE forum. Iori gets so much props else where... for christ sakes even on playmore's website Yagami is favored as KOF's best character.You want to know a character that really gets slept on in these forums?..it's Ryo Sakazaki. Sure he has simular moves to Ryu but he also has different techinques not to mention he is totally diffrent from Ryu as in terms of Story and Character. He is a worthy character and certainley no weakling...hell he was a boss character in both WA and FFS But here he is talked about like a joke.
Who sleeps on iori, the dude is a beast. Too bad playmore felt they had to let him be jobbed by ash crimson just to raise ash to main character status 🙁
As for ryo, well, I dislike alot. I prefer takuma. I think geese get's slept on, hard.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Who sleeps on iori, the dude is a beast. Too bad playmore felt they had to let him be jobbed by ash crimson just to raise ash to main character status 🙁As for ryo, well, I dislike alot. I prefer takuma. I think geese get's slept on, hard.
I was just replying on the comments that stated Iori was being slept on. Trust me since Iori's is KOF and playmore's fav, he most likley will have his revenge. 😐
You may hate Ryo but come on man he does get slept on an awful lot here. I dont think Geese gets slept on as much.
Originally posted by P-GeyserYou may hate Ryo but come on man he does get slept on an awful lot here. I dont think Geese gets slept on as much.
Thank God, Snk lacks developed hierarchy... Strong fighters always appear out of the blue and get no play later on in the plot. Saying ryo strong doesn't really mean much, since there are several fighters who should be listed as powerful as well. A good example is characters from the nest arc.
How long has this been going on for? Howarang, Kaled, cut it out, your not doing your side any favours by complaining about how a fighting game is made.....
as for characters getting the short straws, I do happen to agree with you guys, I play both franchises games, and although I consider a Shotoclone at the begining, he has developed his own moves and playing style, this is the true peuty of gaming, characters can evolve and develop into something completely separate than what the originals represented (I remember that there was absolutely no difference bitween Ryu and Ken besides graphics in the Original SF2 WW