I've not asked people the question, that is very creepy. But I think the answer can be told through a person's general behavior, opinions about other things [like rape, or pedophilia.] For example, my best friend and I watch Law and Order, SVU - sometimes that has episodes about incest at different levels.
She doesn't have to point to the screen and say - "that's completely disgusting." I can tell what her opinion on the matter is.
I would go to far as to say that incest-plus people are not the norm. I know how I love my family, and how people that I love love their families, and it's a love that's warm and family-like. I love my best friend like she's a sister of mine. I look at relationships that I have and think, what would that be like if it were incestuous?
It makes me, literally, have nightmares if I think about it. I think people with normal relationships, normal social behaviors, and normal private behaviors, generally think incest is wrong.
since when does incest==rape/pedophilia? I remember a time, not long ago that people tried to lump homosexuality in with rape and pedophilia in order to be able to attack one or the other of those actions without actually having to come up with a good reason why homosexuality itself was wrong.
Is your main problem with incest then, that most people "don't like it?"
Do my answers bother you? It's okay if they do, or if you disagree...
I happen to think homosexuality is as natural as heterosexuality.
I also happen to think that people who are for incest may need to answer some hard questions about themselves.
And "don't like it," is not what I'm trying to put across. "Don't like it," is for an ice cream flavor, or a dress, or something trivial.
I don't think incest is trivial... I think it's one of the most serious sexual... I don't know if I would say problems but I think it's wrong, as in, "if you choose to do this your life may forever change for the worse, if you choose to do this, you may be doing something that will change someone else's life forever for the worse."
I understand your "two consenting adults" theory. I just think that this is the exception rather than the rule.
Originally posted by siriuswriter
...normal private behaviors...
Definitely a pun.
I don't think it's wrong...if they are adults.
Originally posted by siriuswriter
Do my answers bother you? It's okay if they do, or if you disagree...I happen to think homosexuality is as natural as heterosexuality.
I also happen to think that people who are for incest may need to answer some hard questions about themselves.And "don't like it," is not what I'm trying to put across. "Don't like it," is for an ice cream flavor, or a dress, or something trivial.
I don't think incest is trivial... I think it's one of the most serious sexual... I don't know if I would say problems but I think it's wrong, as in, "if you choose to do this your life may forever change for the worse, if you choose to do this, you may be doing something that will change someone else's life forever for the worse."I understand your "two consenting adults" theory. I just think that this is the exception rather than the rule.
I think that incest is more common and natural than homosexuality. At least the attraction portion. Where's Freud when you need him. awesome
Originally posted by siriuswriter
Do my answers bother you? It's okay if they do, or if you disagree...
I happen to think homosexuality is as natural as heterosexuality.
I also happen to think that people who are for incest may need to answer some hard questions about themselves.
I think "for incest" might need a bit of a definition. I've never been attracted to anyone of my relatives. (i probably have the ugliest cousins you could possibly have in an extended family... sad...) However, I am for the freedom of adults to have the decision to do what they want. If two cousins want to have sex, I don't think the government should have any say in their decision. Their own morality, consciences, and ability to live with each other afterwards is the only thing that should be in play. That they are breaking the law shouldn't even factor in.
And "don't like it," is not what I'm trying to put across. "Don't like it," is for an ice cream flavor, or a dress, or something trivial.
I don't think incest is trivial... I think it's one of the most serious sexual... I don't know if I would say problems but I think it's wrong, as in, "if you choose to do this your life may forever change for the worse, if you choose to do this, you may be doing something that will change someone else's life forever for the worse."
Okay, you think it's wrong. Why? Lots of people think homosexuality is wrong, and their reasons are usually religious. What is your reason for thinking it is wrong?
I understand your "two consenting adults" theory. I just think that this is the exception rather than the rule.
Of course it is the exception. Even with homosexuality, I believe the percentage is something like 3 percent of the population or something? (maybe 7, i don't remember) so it is definitly the exception, but also clearly exists. we don't make something illegal because it doesn't affect everyone do we?
I suppose it's a mix of my gut reaction and my experience.
I've met a few people who have been the victims of incest - In middle school, one of my classmates was a girl of thirteen whose father had gotten her pregnant, and she [very courageously] had the baby. Where I live, the middle school class all flocks to the same high school. I saw her in my freshman year, I tutored her in math. She was very preoccupied and obviously stressed out. I remember her saying something to the effect of "why should I report him... he's in and out of jail already..." and I was very, very angry at him for doing this to her. I never saw her after my freshman year and I still wonder what happened to her and hope she's okay, and healthy, and out of her situation.
One boy in my college class was molested by his uncle. He talked about it in English one day.
As for myself, thankfully I have not been molested or have had incest committed against me, but I developed a very rare and deadly disease when I was twelve. It took almost more than was in me to survive it.
So I guess that's why I tend to be so black and white about issues like this. If someone's life is traumatized, especially at such a young age, it's something that shouldn't be happening. My mom told me the other day about the Philadelphia coach that was being fired because he never reported one of his staff who was molesting boys from the team. I can't feel any sympathy for him... he didn't report, he could've stopped and prevented so much agony, but he didn't.
I feel the same about incest.
Originally posted by siriuswriterDo any of those instances really have anything to do with incest, though? I mean yes, they were incestuous, but I'd argue it was the "non consensual" part of the relationships that caused the trauma, as opposed to the incestuous part.
I suppose it's a mix of my gut reaction and my experience.I've met a few people who have been the victims of incest - In middle school, one of my classmates was a girl of thirteen whose father had gotten her pregnant, and she [very courageously] had the baby. Where I live, the middle school class all flocks to the same high school. I saw her in my freshman year, I tutored her in math. She was very preoccupied and obviously stressed out. I remember her saying something to the effect of "why should I report him... he's in and out of jail already..." and I was very, very angry at him for doing this to her. I never saw her after my freshman year and I still wonder what happened to her and hope she's okay, and healthy, and out of her situation.
One boy in my college class was molested by his uncle. He talked about it in English one day.
As for myself, thankfully I have not been molested or have had incest committed against me, but I developed a very rare and deadly disease when I was twelve. It took almost more than was in me to survive it.
So I guess that's why I tend to be so black and white about issues like this. If someone's life is traumatized, especially at such a young age, it's something that shouldn't be happening. My mom told me the other day about the Philadelphia coach that was being fired because he never reported one of his staff who was molesting boys from the team. I can't feel any sympathy for him... he didn't report, he could've stopped and prevented so much agony, but he didn't.
I feel the same about incest.
Obviously I feel as though Pedophilia and molestation is wrong. That should go without saying. However, you keep equating the two acts. I don't quite get that. Your story about Paterno has literally nothing to do with incest. That was a matter or sexual assault as both the assistant coach and his victims were adults.
This is the same as me saying: Pedophilia is very wrong, and pedophilia and homosexuality are pretty much the same so i think they are both wrong.
Originally posted by siriuswriter
I suppose it's a mix of my gut reaction and my experience.I've met a few people who have been the victims of incest - In middle school, one of my classmates was a girl of thirteen whose father had gotten her pregnant, and she [very courageously] had the baby. Where I live, the middle school class all flocks to the same high school. I saw her in my freshman year, I tutored her in math. She was very preoccupied and obviously stressed out. I remember her saying something to the effect of "why should I report him... he's in and out of jail already..." and I was very, very angry at him for doing this to her. I never saw her after my freshman year and I still wonder what happened to her and hope she's okay, and healthy, and out of her situation.
One boy in my college class was molested by his uncle. He talked about it in English one day.
As for myself, thankfully I have not been molested or have had incest committed against me, but I developed a very rare and deadly disease when I was twelve. It took almost more than was in me to survive it.
So I guess that's why I tend to be so black and white about issues like this. If someone's life is traumatized, especially at such a young age, it's something that shouldn't be happening. My mom told me the other day about the Philadelphia coach that was being fired because he never reported one of his staff who was molesting boys from the team. I can't feel any sympathy for him... he didn't report, he could've stopped and prevented so much agony, but he didn't.
I feel the same about incest.
You don't think that maybe FUCKING CHILD RAPE that was the problem?
Originally posted by siriuswriterAny sane person aware of the social taboo of incest, and the illegality of rape and child molestation, won't answer those questions with anything other than a display of disgust/disapproval. You can judge people on the honest answers they give, but you can't pin their core beliefs if they're providing you lies.
I've not asked people the question, that is very creepy. But I think the answer can be told through a person's general behavior, opinions about other things [like rape, or pedophilia.]
Originally posted by truejedi
Obviously I feel as though Pedophilia and molestation is wrong. That should go without saying. However, you keep equating the two acts. I don't quite get that. Your story about Paterno has literally nothing to do with incest. That was a matter or sexual assault as both the assistant coach and his victims were adults.This is the same as me saying: Pedophilia is very wrong, and pedophilia and homosexuality are pretty much the same so i think they are both wrong.
Well we disagree here. I don't put homosexuality on the same level as pedophilia. Also because of experience. And because there are many, MANY loving relationships between two men and two women that have been lying out in the public for scrutinization, so the whole wide world can see that it is, indeed, not sexual deviancy.
Also, much of incest is pedophilia and molestation. So that would be why I've been saying that the two consenting adults are a different case. However, since most of incest involves sexual deviancy I condemn it.
How can you say that a father having a child with his daughter is not incest? Sex between members of the natural family... that's incest. Do you have your definitions in front of you? This case has EVERYTHING to do with incest. So does the uncle and his nephew. It's TOO CLOSE as well as being morally reprehensible.
I'm just going to stop putting "I think," and "Most of the time," in my posts... apparently it puts me across as some kind of psychopathic maniac.