Originally posted by Galan007
Pocket Dimensions? Reshaping a galaxy? Vaporizing a planet?Is that all?
Jaspers WAS the entire 616 Universe, a planet/galaxy is NOTHING to him..
Just to destroy 238 Jaspers (whom is MUCH weaker then his 616 counterpart), took Universal Nullification. Even Hyperstorm (whom is MUCH more powerful then his younger self) was defeated by MUCH lesser forces...
The ONLY way 238 Jaspers was beaten, was by destroying the ENTIRE Universe he was in.
616 Jaspers was a threat to the Omniverse which encompasses ALL of the Multiverses withing Marvel.
Was Franklyn ever classified as more then a Universal threat? (if he was even classified as such) ❌
So Jaspers being a threat to the Omniverse is much more consequential then you might think.
Maybe not a snap of a finger....
It might take the wave of his hand. 😉
No Jasper from the 238 was everything 616 had the potential, difference.
And do you even understand the mening of omniverse if you don't, then stop using it.
And again look at the power difference MJJ is nigh-omnipotente while Franklin is nigh-omnipotent psionic powers, so according how you see it Franklin is also powerfull.
And if you mean that Galactus was "the lesser force" that stopped Hyperstorm, I would like to add that by you own account it required universal nullification which oh yes the UN is capable of and since the UN is a part of Galactus, ore perhaps the living tribunal just bumped in ore would he wave him away to ???
Originally posted by UtrigitaI do understand the meaning of an Omniverse......... You apparently don't...
And do you even understand the mening of omniverse if you don't, then stop using it.
If you got your information from actual comics instead of Wiki, you would know that the word Omniverse has been used several times in comics.
The Omniverse= ALL of the Multiverses within Marvel.
It has no other meaning (in comics).
Originally posted by UtrigitaLook at On-Pannel feats, not Wiki Bio's.
And again look at the power difference MJJ is nigh-omnipotente while Franklin is nigh-omnipotent psionic powers, so according how you see it Franklin is also powerfull.
Then come back and talk to me.
Originally posted by UtrigitaIt DID NOT take a Universe being destroyed to beat Hyperstorm (whom is more powerful then Franky).
And if you mean that Galactus was "the lesser force" that stopped Hyperstorm
Hyperstorm was pwned by Galactus.
Destroying a Universe was the only way to beat the weakest version of MJJ.
Originally posted by Galan007
I do understand the meaning of an Omniverse......... You apparently don't...If you got your information from actual comics instead of Wiki, you would know that the word Omniverse has been used several times in comics.
The Omniverse= ALL of the Multiverses within Marvel.
It has no other meaning (in comics).
Look at On-Pannel feats, not Wiki Bio's.
Then come back and talk to me.
It DID NOT take a Universe being destroyed to beat Hyperstorm (whom is more powerful then Franky).
Hyperstorm was pwned by Galactus.
Destroying a Universe was the only way to beat the weakest version of MJJ.
No you don't, the way it is used in comic the ones I have read says that a omniverse means every universe dimension and reality that you can think of, And omniverse as explain to my in a Black horse comic book I have borrowed.
And by looking on the Panel feat is see Franklin using his telepathy to own MJJ, and if i look at a pure fight then MJJ owns Franklin, but again you don't see a difference between the to terms of power.
And I didn't say anything about a need to destroy a universe I simple couldn't understand that you referede to Galactus being a lesser force in the universe.
Originally posted by UtrigitaFor the last time.....
No you don't, the way it is used in comic the ones I have read says that a omniverse means every universe dimension and reality that you can think of, And omniverse as explain to my in a Black horse comic book I have borrowed.
In Marvel Comics,
The Omniverse= EVERY Multiverse within Marvel comics
It means nothing else (as far as Marvel is concerned).
Originally posted by UtrigitaNo............... Just No.
And by looking on the Panel feat is see Franklin using his telepathy to own MJJ,
Please read the Jaspers Warp arch, and then come back and try to say that Franky has EVER done anything on MJJ's level.
Your biggest problem is that you think everything you read on various sites, such as Wiki is true, (but more times then not, the info on Wiki is false).
Originally posted by UtrigitaNo.
but again you don't see a difference between the to terms of power.
YOU don't see the difference between what some guy wrote on Wiki, and what actually happened in the comic.
If you knew the difference between these, you would be singing a different tune. 😉
Originally posted by Galan007
Your biggest problem is that you think everything you read on various sites, such as Wiki is true, (but more times then not, the info on Wiki is false).You don't see the difference between what some guy wrote on Wiki, and what actually happened in the comic.
If you knew the difference between these, you would be singing a different tune. 😉
Actually even if you go by what is on Wiki and combine it with a little bit of logic MJJ would still come out on top.
Originally posted by Galan007
Pocket Dimensions? Reshaping a galaxy? Vaporizing a planet?Is that all?
Jaspers WAS the entire 616 Universe, a planet/galaxy is NOTHING to him..
Just to destroy 238 Jaspers (whom is MUCH weaker then his 616 counterpart), took Universal Nullification. Even Hyperstorm (whom is MUCH more powerful then his younger self) was defeated by MUCH lesser forces...
The ONLY way 238 Jaspers was beaten, was by destroying the ENTIRE Universe he was in.
616 Jaspers was a threat to the Omniverse which encompasses ALL of the Multiverses withing Marvel.
Was Franklyn ever classified as more then a Universal threat? (if he was even classified as such) ❌
So Jaspers being a threat to the Omniverse is much more consequential then you might think.
Maybe not a snap of a finger....
It might take the wave of his hand. 😉
The only piece I'm going to argue with you is your point about Hyperstorm, first off he wasn't defeated by a much weaker force, he was defeated by the most powerful device in Marvel comics, blood lusted Reed Richards.
Originally posted by Board Walker😂
blood lusted Reed Richards.
All I was pointing out is that the only force capable of taking out the weakest version of Jaspers, was the destruction of an entire Universe. Franklyn never demonstrated the ability to destroy anything remotley close to a Universe.
Franky really has no chance, even against 238 Jaspers.
Originally posted by Galan007
😂All I was pointing out is that the only force capable of taking out the weakest version of Jaspers, was the destruction of an entire Universe. Franklyn never demonstrated the ability to destroy anything remotley close to a Universe.
Franky really has no chance, even against 238 Jaspers.
MJJ does have an extreme weakness though, take him out of "reality" and he is powerless, now certain characters can do this quite easily, I have seen what MJJ has done, but don't get cocky he has an extremely exploitable weakness.
The question here is, can Franklin Richards (Psi-Lord I assume) take MJJ out of "reality"?
Originally posted by Board Walker
MJJ does have an extreme weakness though, take him out of "reality" and he is powerless, now certain characters can do this quite easily, I have seen what MJJ has done, but don't get cocky he has an extremely exploitable weakness.
It's not easy to just Know the location of a "Sector" in Space that has NO Reality (Time & Space) or "Nothingness" ...
The Fury Knew where there was Un-Space, (no Reality) because he was from the Universe that was Erased (238)
In Fact, the Fury was there, and survived Universal Nullification.
So the Fury teleported Jaspers to that specific Universe (238) which was Erased into Nothingness by the Omniversal Tribune.
Originally posted by Board Walker
The question here is, can Franklin Richards (Psi-Lord I assume) take MJJ out of "reality"?
Only if he can instantaneously teleport himself and Jaspers into an Erased Universe, assuming by that time Jaspers hasn't turned him into a Sofa, an Apple, or a Cat.
Remember, had the Fury not been indestructible and able to adapt to every situation, the Fury would not have lasted long enough to do that.
In fact, the Fury was greatly weakened after battling Jaspers,
it was only a matter of time before Jaspers would have killed the Fury.
Originally posted by Board Walker❌
MJJ does have an extreme weakness though, take him out of "reality" and he is powerless, now certain characters can do this quite easily, I have seen what MJJ has done, but don't get cocky he has an extremely exploitable weakness.The question here is, can Franklin Richards (Psi-Lord I assume) take MJJ out of "reality"?
I would like to see when Franky ever demonstrated such an ability.
Originally posted by Galan007
For the last time.....In Marvel Comics,
The Omniverse= EVERY Multiverse within Marvel comics
It means nothing else (as far as Marvel is concerned).
No............... Just No.
Please read the Jaspers Warp arch, and then come back and try to say that Franky has EVER done anything on MJJ's level.
Your biggest problem is that you think everything you read on various sites, such as Wiki is true, (but more times then not, the info on Wiki is false).
No.
YOU don't see the difference between what some guy wrote on Wiki, and what actually happened in the comic.
If you knew the difference between these, you would be singing a different tune. 😉
OKay I can see what you mean about the omniverse (but then i found it rather odd that you never agree with me on the Brothers vs Beyonder where I said that they each compossed a omnivers), and we will never reach a satisfing conclusion about this subject.
And if you for once used your eyes to see what i have posted you would see that i never doubtet MJJ warping powers against Franklin and if so that wasn't my intension, but what I found it wrong to leave Franklins psychi powers out of the perspective (but hey just my openion)
And now I don't use wikipedia as you think I have learned that the site is highly onrelayable but I think a Comic with MJJ is along with Marvels own site ore are they wrong too???
Originally posted by Galan007
Jaspers WAS the entire 616 Universe, a planet/galaxy is NOTHING to him..
Not true. 616 Jaspers while by word of mouth was painted as more impressive than his counterpart, he never ACTUALLY did anything on panel that was comparable to 238 Jaspers. 616 Jaspers never warped the entire marvel universe, he never got anywhere near that scale. He was swiftly taken out by the Fury from earth 238 before he could do anything remotely as impressive as his counterpart.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Not true. 616 Jaspers while by word of mouth was painted as more impressive than his counterpart, he never ACTUALLY did anything on panel that was comparable to 238 Jaspers. 616 Jaspers never warped the entire marvel universe, he never got anywhere near that scale. He was swiftly taken out by the Fury from earth 238 before he could do anything remotely as impressive as his counterpart.
Jaspers 616 ... Warping the 616 Universe
By the time Captain Britain reaches Jaspers, the 616 Universe has been Re-Created in his image
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