Idols

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Tarturus is part of GREEK MYTHOLOGY and is technically a PAGAN beleif....

Why does your Bible copy Pagan mythologies ? First Zoroastrianism, then Egyptian Mythos, NOW GREEK MYTHOS ? WTF ?

Funny, huh... the more someone research the more someone finds pagan elements in christianism.

Tartarus is in the Nag Hammadi(the gnostic texts) too... of course it is a apocryph, but it is from the same Jewish culture where christianism had its roots.

Christianity have many greek elements because they were slaves of the greeks at the time of Alexander, the Great.

Santana has always been one of my idols.

So I guess I'm going to Hell.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Every time that I read your posts I know and am reminded of the Scriptures that state:

[B]1 Thessalonians 2:13
For this reason we also thank God without ceasing, because when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you welcomed it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which also effectively works in you who believe.

So, yes I thank God without ceasing because every time that I receive the Word of God (through your Scripturally sound posts) I welcome it not as the word of men, but as it is truth, the Word of God. This Word works effectively in me as I continue to believe. Your posts are replete with the Word of God. The Lord Jesus states that if we abide/continue in His Word, we are His disciples indeed, and we shall know the Truth, and the Truth shall make us free. We are indeed disciples of Christ and free!

Sonnet, we must continue to endure hardship as good soldiers of Jesus Christ. We are strong, the Word of God abides in us, and we have overcome the wicked one (satan)--through Jesus Christ our Lord. Whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world--our faith. Who is he/she who overcomes the world, but he/she who believes that Jesus is the Son of God. Therefore, we also since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, looking unto Jesus, the Author and Finisher of our faith, Who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. Finally, my sister in Christ, be strong in the Lord and in the power of the Lord's might. [/B]

Thanks for totally IGNORING another FACT JIA....

We have already confirmed that Tarturus is not an original Christian concept, but one that was stolen or "borrowed" from Greek mythology, thereby clarifying the fact that Christianity has taken ideas from PAGAN mythos, and made it part of its own...

See you do this all the time...when there is a fact that you have no argument against, you simply ignore it, and then you wondor why people are disrespectful to you... 🙄

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Thanks for totally [b]IGNORING another FACT JIA....

We have already confirmed that Tarturus is not an original Christian concept, but one that was stolen or "borrowed" from Greek mythology, thereby clarifying the fact that Christianity has taken ideas from PAGAN mythos, and made it part of its own...[/B]

Originally posted by Nellinator
Christianity did not borrow this belief. Have you ever stopped to consider that most of the NT was written in Greek. The Greek word for hell is Tarturus. Therefore, when Paul and Luke went to write about hell they used the Greek word for it. Its not a big secret. The idea was not borrowed. The idea of hell dates to the OT not just the NT.

But Tartarus was a Greek concept. If Christians were talking about a non-Pagan version of hell, they should have used a differendt word to describe a different place.

Originally posted by Nellinator
Christianity did not borrow this belief. Have you ever stopped to consider that most of the NT was written in Greek. The Greek word for hell is Tarturus. Therefore, when Paul and Luke went to write about hell they used the Greek word for it. Its not a big secret. The idea was not borrowed. The idea of hell dates to the OT not just the NT.

This was the Greek language that could have up to and over six versions of a word depending on its context, number and all the rest.

It would not have been hard for the authors to have adapted the word or formed a knew one.

After all - was Jesus going around talking about "Tarterus" - he wasn't speaking Greek so no. Numerous times throughout history scholars have found one language has appropriate words belonging to another in order to give slight difference. They have a comparable word in there own language (say Tarterus) but the thing they want to talk about is different (Christian Hell) - thus they will form a new word. Every culture did it.

Yet in this case they didn't. The chopped the Greek Tarturus and used it as hell. Which is a conversion tool. Use Pagan words, names, places, festivals, beliefs in a Christian context and people will be more susceptible to conversion Tarturus would be the tip of the ice berg for things Christianity took from Pagan religion.

Originally posted by Nellinator
Christianity did not borrow this belief. Have you ever stopped to consider that most of the NT was written in Greek. The Greek word for hell is Tarturus. Therefore, when Paul and Luke went to write about hell they used the Greek word for it. Its not a big secret. The idea was not borrowed. The idea of hell dates to the OT not just the NT.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
This was the Greek language that could have up to and over six versions of a word depending on its context, number and all the rest.

It would not have been hard for the authors to have adapted the word or formed a knew one.

After all - was Jesus going around talking about "Tarterus" - he wasn't speaking Greek so no. Numerous times throughout history scholars have found one language has appropriate words belonging to another in order to give slight difference. They have a comparable word in there own language (say Tarterus) but the thing they want to talk about is different (Christian Hell) - thus they will form a new word. Every culture did it.

Yet in this case they didn't. The chopped the Greek Tarturus and used it as hell. Which is a conversion tool. Use Pagan words, names, places, festivals, beliefs in a Christian context and people will be more susceptible to conversion Tarturus would be the tip of the ice berg for things Christianity took from Pagan religion.

Originally posted by Nellinator
Yes, but Tarturus is not the same as the Christian idea of hell. It is a synonym that conveys the meaning. The idea of hell was not borrowed.

Yet you have a pagan culture, the Greeks, who have their own concept of the afterlife - Tartarus and the rest.

Suddenly you have a a text floating about that mentions Tartarus. You are a pagan Greek who has always known about Tarturus. Now tell me - can you imagine the Christian preachers stopping in the middle of the preaching to explain "But we are only using the word Tartarus for linguistic purposes, our Tartarus is the true Tartarus, and it is different from your false Tartarus despite some striking similarities..."

The concept of a place of spiritual punishment was not unique in the ancient world, the Christian version was just another in a line of others, and it just happened to share the name with one of them.

If I was cynical I would think it was a conversion tool...

Then how do you explain the uncanny similarities between hell and Tarturus?

Originally posted by Alliance
Then how do you explain the uncanny similarities between hell and Tarturus?

So Greek Animism is also correct?

Originally posted by Nellinator
It's a real place.

So who is to say the Greek Tartarus is not the real deal and the Christian hell is? Couldn't it be the other way round? After all the Greek Tartarus came first, by all accounts if anyone was accused of plagerism it would have to be the Christians in this example.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
So who is to say the Greek Tartarus is not the real deal and the Christian hell is? Couldn't it be the other way round? After all the Greek Tartarus came first, by all accounts if anyone was accused of plagerism it would have to be the Christians in this example.

Originally posted by Nellinator
Not really, Sheol was developed independently of the Greeks. Now since I and several others have shown that Sheol is comparable to the hell of the NT it should be logical to assume that the word Tartarus and Hades are simply synonyms used for it.

Listen buddy...

Sit down, take a deep breath, and open your mind for a second...

The idea of a raging inferno where souls end up, called Tarturus, came from Greek Mythos and preceded the mythical legend of "Christian Hell"

You claim that Tarturus was used by the Greeks when they translated the scriptures...thereby you are blatantly admitting that the Bible has a mistranslation, and is therefore flawed and unreliable.

If the Bible is trying to convey Hell, then the terms TARTURUS and HADES should not be used. The bible should only use HELL and Satan/Lucifer

To straight out STEAL the idea of another mythology, and not even bother to REPLACE it with its own mythology shows a huge lack of laziness, invalidity, unoriginality, and unreliability... ❌

Hell and Tarturus are similar concepts, Tarturus came first....

Just like the Elysian Fields preceded Christian Heaven....

There is no excuse for this Biblical plagarism. The Bible should be declared flawed, or otherwise be RE WRITTEN....

And JIA thanks for TOTALLY avoiding the subject !

I'd love to hear your defense ! You'd probably just continue ignoring me though, because you can't compose enough bullshit to disguise as an answer.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Listen buddy...

Sit down, take a deep breath, and open your mind for a second...

The idea of a raging inferno where souls end up, called Tarturus, came from Greek Mythos and preceded the mythical legend of "Christian Hell"

You claim that Tarturus was used by the Greeks when they translated the scriptures...thereby you are blatantly admitting that the Bible has a mistranslation, and is therefore flawed and unreliable.

If the Bible is trying to convey Hell, then the terms [b]TARTURUS and HADES should not be used. The bible should only use HELL and Satan/Lucifer

To straight out STEAL the idea of another mythology, and not even bother to REPLACE it with its own mythology shows a huge lack of laziness, invalidity, unoriginality, and unreliability... ❌

Hell and Tarturus are similar concepts, Tarturus came first....

Just like the Elysian Fields preceded Christian Heaven....

There is no excuse for this Biblical plagarism. The Bible should be declared flawed, or otherwise be RE WRITTEN.... [/B]

Originally posted by Alliance
So Greek Animism is also correct?

Originally posted by Alliance

To understand what I'm saying you need to know that I see a lot of archaelogical and anthropological evidence points to the worship of one god (or the worship of one god and his enemy) at the beginning of human religion. These seem to be the Mother Goddess of the Moon which is associated with magic and the other is more vague, but seems to support a more simple lifestyle. Now, if all religions are derived from this original religion and the concept of hell existed in it, it is logically to assume that all religions contain some grains of truth. That is one theory I have seen.

My personal fav theory is one involving Atlantis. If all religions were descended from Atlantis (which is thought to also have a dualist religion with the god of power 'Belial' being more dominant, which supposedly led to their downfall) then it is logical that all beliefs may hold some similar mythology. Therefore, animism could potentially have some truth in it. Sadly, I am not overly familiar with Greek animism and can't really comment on it.

What I'm saying is Tartarus is a Greek concept. It is seen in Greek myhtology before Christian mythology. If the concept of Hell is so correct that wehn writing in Greek the early Chritstians kep the concept of Tartarus, then we can assume that the Greek concept of hell is also correct, because its the same.