Originally posted by Dinalfos
That's not the point at allIf anger doesn't increase his strength, then it cannot be the adrenaline what causes his increase when scared. This whole fear-strength thing was to counter the (false) assumption that Hulk's strength increases with anger only. As such, it makes no sense.
It is the point
Your body reacts completly different if you experience rage or fear, why would Abomination's body have the same reaction as the Hulk when he clearly doesn't have the same body or same body reactions?. Your body doesn't react the same way as being afraid and being angry. It's like saying all the mutants have the same body and such their reactions are the same. You can't even compare their power/abilities as their not the same person.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
It is the pointYour body reacts completly different if you experience rage or fear, why would Abomination's body have the same reaction as the Hulk when he clearly doesn't have the same body or same body reactions?. Your body doesn't react the same way as being afraid and being angry. It's like saying all the mutants have the same body and such their reactions are the same. You can't even compare their power/abilities as their not the same person.
I know all that. But the point of the Hulk character was exaggerated realism. Everything that fear and anger do for a human, is amplified to the extreme. It's fictional, but at least it's a logical expansion. Abom's fear induced increase needs some more explaining. Why only fear? What is it that prevents him from getting the same reaction when angered?
Btw, it's safe to assume that basic human physiology applies to most people/mutants. At least things like adrenaline and such.
Originally posted by Dinalfos
I know all that. But the point of the Hulk character was exaggerated realism. Everything that fear and anger do for a human, is amplified to the extreme. It's fictional, but at least it's a logical expansion. Abom's fear induced increase needs some more explaining. Why only fear? What is it that prevents him from getting the same reaction when angered?Btw, it's safe to assume that basic human physiology applies to most people/mutants. At least things like adrenaline and such.
Thus far, Abomination's fear increase makes perfect sense as studys have shown fear does increase one's strength in the "fight or flight mode", but won't get the same such as being angry. This is how his body works and this is how he grows stronger, he doesn't have to have the same abilities as Hulk as he isn't him.
Not really, some mutants have organs other mutants/humandon't, have enhanced senses, healing factor, extra limbs, etc. All these will greatly alter one's body systems. Even normal humans bodies can work differently than say to even your brother/sisters. He/she could be more immune to diesases, heal faster, faster metabolism, etc.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Thus far, Abomination's fear increase makes perfect sense as studys have shown fear does increase one's strength in the "fight or flight mode", but won't get the same such as being angry. This is how his body works and this is how he grows stronger, he doesn't have to have the same abilities as Hulk as he isn't him.Not really, some mutants have organs other mutants/humandon't, have enhanced senses, healing factor, extra limbs, etc. All these will greatly alter one's body systems. Even normal humans bodies can work differently than say to even your brother/sisters. He/she could be more immune to diesases, heal faster, faster metabolism, etc.
But adrenaline induced strength isn't really a special ability. It's natural, for most people. The same goes for Hulk, except in proportion to whatever level of physical power he may possess. Now, his special ability is that he can get angrier/more excited than normal humans. So I'm wondering: is Abomination able to get more scared than humans?
Sure, but the same basic physiology still applies. You're talking about varying degrees, mostly. There are exceptions, ofcourse. But people like psyclops, Wolverine, Spiderman, Hulk do have a lot in common when it comes to, say, adrenaline, healing, durability, strength, hearing, seeing etc. Varying degrees? Yes, ofcourse.
Originally posted by Dinalfos
But adrenaline induced strength isn't really a special ability. It's natural, for most people. The same goes for Hulk, except in proportion to whatever level of physical power he may possess. Now, his special ability is that he can get angrier/more excited than normal humans. So I'm wondering: is Abomination able to get more scared than humans?Sure, but the same basic physiology still applies. You're talking about varying degrees, mostly. There are exceptions, ofcourse. But people like psyclops, Wolverine, Spiderman, Hulk do have a lot in common when it comes to, say, adrenaline, healing, durability, strength, hearing, seeing etc. Varying degrees? Yes, ofcourse.
No, but gaining super strength from is. Some people (normal people) get higher boosts than others due to their genetic makeup. Such as a mother lifted a car to save a baby due to adrenline, but it all depends on the situation, but does that mean everyone can do that? far from it. No, he probally has the same level of fear, but what he can do with it meaning how his body reacts is vastly altered and unique.
Not really, as no one is the same person so why would Abomination be? He is an exception as he doesn't increase his strength with rage induced adrenlin that much we know. For all we know his fear allows him to unlock mental blocks giving him the strength. Not really, Wolverine, Spider-Man, Hulk, Cyclops have vastly altered bio-chemsistry.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
No, but gaining super strength from is. Some people (normal people) get higher boosts than others due to their genetic makeup. Such as a mother lifted a car to save a baby due to adrenline, but it all depends on the situation, but does that mean everyone can do that? far from it. No, he probally has the same level of fear, but what he can do with it meaning how his body reacts is vastly altered and unique.Not really, as no one is the same person so why would Abomination be? He is an exception as he doesn't increase his strength with rage induced adrenlin that much we know. For all we know his fear allows him to unlock mental blocks giving him the strength. Not really, Wolverine, Spider-Man, Hulk, Cyclops have vastly altered bio-chemsistry.
Gaining super strength instead of the regular small boost is a variation. They both are about increasing/altering what was already there. So in that respect, all humans are the same. I'm not talking about everyone actually doing the same stuff. But anyway, I'd still like to know the reasoning behind Abom's increase, preferably from the writer. You made your point well, though.
Different bio-chemistry leads to the variations of the same principle. Wolverine heals like the rest of us, except in an advanced way. Hulk and Spiderman have strength, like the rest of us, except more of it. Cyclops mutant powers don't even do much for his physical abilities at all, as far as I know. Furthermore, all of these characters have in common that they experience fear, anger, rage, excitement etc., along with a corresponding escalation in adrenaline.
Originally posted by Dinalfos
Gaining super strength instead of the regular small boost is a variation. They both are about increasing/altering what was already there. So in that respect, all humans are the same. I'm not talking about everyone actually doing the same stuff. But anyway, I'd still like to know the reasoning behind Abom's increase, preferably from the writer. You made your point well, though.Different bio-chemistry leads to the variations of the same principle. Wolverine heals like the rest of us, except in an advanced way. Hulk and Spiderman have strength, like the rest of us, except more of it. Cyclops mutant powers don't even do much for his physical abilities at all, as far as I know. Furthermore, all of these characters have in common that they experience fear, anger, rage, excitement etc., along with a corresponding escalation in adrenaline.
It's not a variation it's a complete different genetic makeup even evident as the way he looks is vastly altered and he has the ability to breath underwater as well. Humans have similar processes, but experience and body makeup are vastly different. You as well, and until we get that information from the writers we won't know the reasoning behind it.
Each person is unique, mutation is evolution, so once again why is Abomination just pidgeon holded to just have Hulk's abilities? Wolverine has enhanced senses we don't have, Hulk can breath in water and his body makeup is far more durable than us, Spider-Man has turned more arachned. Cyclops has altered his optic nerves. Except each person as I mentioned has different reactions to each situation, such as Wolverine would go into a berserk frency, Spider-Man would activate his spider-talons, Hulk would grow stronger, etc.
Originally posted by Dinalfos
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Originally posted by SoujaboyThat's what I said in another forum on the same topic. Abom. may be stronger. But Colossus has him beat everywhere else imo. The stronger guys don't always win.
Well I believe that current Colossus has the potential to defeat Abom. Skill, experience, and battle tactics give Colossus the edge in my book.Colossus 6/10
Abomination creams Colossus. Easily.
Abomination has waaaay more experience plus training, than Colossus.
And, yes, Fear can trigger adrenaline dumps. And, whether it does or not, how do we know that the adrenaline is even the chemical trigger for Emil?
Anyway, Abomination has proven himself against top-tier guys. And, I believe we are supposed to be using characters at thier "best".
If that is the case, Emil is smarter, more experienced, stronger, can increase potential strength, more durable and generally nastier.
I just read on of his last battles with Hulk. Savage Hulk. And, Emil trashed him thoroughly.
Emil wins this.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Well it seems everybody goes toe to toe with the Hulk. Rhino, Thing, etc. It's a nice feat but Abom. is a Hulk villain so it's to be expected I guess.Namor and Herc. both destroyed Abom. from what I hear.
Well euh issn't that why he doesn't have much other feats he is a hulk villian.
Originally posted by Horrificus
Abomination creams Colossus. Easily.Abomination has waaaay more experience plus training, than Colossus.
And, yes, Fear can trigger adrenaline dumps. And, whether it does or not, how do we know that the adrenaline is even the chemical trigger for Emil?
Anyway, Abomination has proven himself against top-tier guys. And, I believe we are supposed to be using characters at thier "best".
If that is the case, Emil is smarter, more experienced, stronger, can increase potential strength, more durable and generally nastier.
I just read on of his last battles with Hulk. Savage Hulk. And, Emil trashed him thoroughly.
Emil wins this.
Can you explain to me where Abom has waaaaay more experience and training than Colossus? I was just wondering considering the fact that Colossus has trained with some of the most skilled fighters and tacticians in his 35+ years of comic history.
More durable, I would like to know where you got this from?
And the best Colossus has shown was fighting toe to toe with Gladiator, one of the physically most powerful beings in the MU. 😉