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Originally posted by vintageSW77
Im not saying "sounds like" im saying it has influenced the sound,the method,the feel and how they record their music with the use of the same synths and roland 808,303 and 909s drum machines.
Electronic music has a fault that a lot of it is in effect similar due to the fact that they are mostly instrumental pieces on the same equipment....many other forms of music would suffer this if it wasnt for vocalists styles....metal for example.
I make electronic music and when i play it to people i get "yeah it sounds Detroit or Kraftwerk"...not because im trying to sound like it its just the way those synths sound and the way they put together tracks did it for me....its in me...it what i know best....they are an influence
So again, you're acting as if other people's opinions make it concrete or something. If they think it sounds like Kraftwerk, they think it sounds like Kraftwerk. It doesn't mean that you have to agree, or that it does. Just because you like those bands, doesn't mean you simply have to say "Yes I do these things because they did.". If you did, then fine, but only admit it if it's what you intended.
Originally posted by vintageSW77
Though In Radioheads case Idioteque DOES "sound like" an Aphex track
with Thom Yorke on guest vocals.
Its not an influence thing.....you are right in that case
its a total RIP OFF
It is absolutely nothing like Aphex Twin. You're making the fatal mistake of lumping them together simply because there are electronic elements, which basically renders your opinion useless and throws away any chance you've had to be taken seriously, at least by me.
Originally posted by vintageSW77
and their producer is the culprit as hes using the same methods in Becks new track which as an instrumental could be an Aphex track
...that electronica style on those tracks is def ripped off of Plaid N Aphex.
I've noticed something over the years, a revelation if you will.
If people like a band, an influential band, then they use the term "Rip off". If they like the band doing the ripping off, they call it "Influence". You are just saying that because you like Aphex Twin, aren't you? Radiohead haven't "ripped off" Aphex Twin (Who I like) any more than they've ripped off Britney Spears. They use similar instruments, so what? That's like saying everyone who has a similar guitar sound is ripping each other off. What Thom Yorke and Radiohead aspire to and achieve, is not only much greater, but much different to that of Aphex Twin.
The two are entirely different, and if you can't see past the fact that they use similar instruments that incidentally create similar sounds, then you should stop trying to analyse music.
Originally posted by vintageSW77
and im sorry it is really as black and white as this
Kraftwerk inspired(amongst others)
Depeche Mode,Human lLeague who inspired
The Detroit Sound which inspired
Aphex Twin who inspired
Nigel Godrich current production techniques
What does that mean, though? I hate it when people do that. It's like when metal fans have a go at people who don't like Slayer, it's pathetic. Just because they pioneered a genre, doesn't mean that people have to bow down and like them just because they happen to like bands that came later.
I don't have to like older electronic bands to give Radiohead credit for being pioneers, because electronic or not, they do things no other bands do. They use what existed before them in ways no pure electronic artist could. When Richard James puts out anything close to being as good as Kid A, we'll have a chat, but until then I suggest you stop age worshiping bands. The closest he's come to producing a great record in a similar electronic vein, is Surfing on Sine Waves by Polygon Window, which is incredibly dull.
It's all very well and good to promote being aware of where music originated, if you like it, but that doesn't mean it makes the bands that followed any less talented. When people here incorrectly use the term emo, I dislike it, but I don't suggest they have to like the bands I mention, they don't. Acknowledging where things came from and having to like them are two different things.
Radiohead are far more innovative than any of the artists you mentioned, and it's far more hard to be innovative with something that's been imitated to death.
-AC