Re: 2007 Rapture?
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
http://www.2007rapture.com/vision/I already know what true believers in Jesus Christ are thinking that no person knows the [B]day nor hour
of the catching away (i.e. rapture) of the church. I was very cautious reading the articles from this link because I know that there are many false prophets in these last days. All I ask you to do is to read this women's testimony and judge this prophetic word by the Bible. Prayerfully study every Scripture on the subject of the rapture. Ask the Father God to reveal to you whether this woman's prophecy is true or false.She mentions something that I have never thought of. She states that Jesus said that no one (not even Jesus) knows the day nor hour of the rapture. But here is what she said that riveted my attention: she said that no one knows the day or hour but that Jesus said nothing about year or season. She states that God gave her the year and season but not the day nor hour of the rapture. She said that Jesus will catch away His church in the summer of 2007 (June 21-September 21).
Folks, I am the most Scripturally sound, based, accurate, person that I know. I do not deviate from the Scriptures. But when she said that God gave her the year and season I was somewhat dumbfounded because it was something that I never thought about. I will let you all judge this prophecy by the Bible, for the Scriptures instruct us to judge all prophecies by the Word of God for verification.
I urge all of you to read the whole thing before coming to a conclusion. You always have the option of disregarding this article. But give it equal time.
Oh. My. God. Leave it to the dumbass protestants to try and take Revelation literally. You know what Revelation is? Some wack-story about one guy's dream. Pretty much all it means is that one day the world will come to an end and everyone will be judged. The End. Pretty much what Jesus said. Revelation does not reveal to you when, not season or year either, the end of the world will be, so stop trying to figure it out, you're not supposed to know! I mean, didn't you just say that God said that no one shall know the day or hour (meaning when in general, doesn't exculde year or season). That means you're not supposed to know! So stop trying figure it out!
And by they way, there is no such thing as a rapture. That's some bull that the protestants came up with to brainwash all of their followers into believing that Catholics are the scum of the earth.
Originally posted by Naz
Oh. My. God. Leave it to the dumbass protestants to try and take Revelation literally. You know what Revelation is? Some wack-story about one guy's dream. Pretty much all it means is that one day the world will come to an end and everyone will be judged. The End. Pretty much what Jesus said. Revelation does not reveal to you when, not season or year either, the end of the world will be, so stop trying to figure it out, you're not supposed to know! I mean, didn't you just say that God said that no one shall know the day or hour (meaning when in general, doesn't exculde year or season). That means you're not supposed to know! So stop trying figure it out!And by they way, there is no such thing as a rapture. That's some bull that the protestants came up with to brainwash all of their followers into believing that Catholics are the scum of the earth.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
[But here is the good news: God will protect you from
From...not one god damned thing. He hasn't protected me when I believed, and he hasn't since I stopped believing. Where is your evidence of god? When was the last time you asked him for something and you got it? When was the last time he showed up on your behalf?
By all means, explain to us where this fanatacism come from, because we're all wondering. Where is this "good news" that has changed your life? Or are you one of those types that was all buisness in the front and party time in the back, that got "saved" (from nothing) when you were five because you were looking for something more?
Tell us where your faith comes from. When were you filled with the holy spirit? At what moment did you recieve absolute proof that your perspective was right, and 5 billion other's was wrong?
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
From...not one god damned thing. He hasn't protected me when I believed, and he hasn't since I stopped believing. Where is your evidence of god? When was the last time you asked him for something and you got it? When was the last time he showed up on your behalf?By all means, explain to us where this fanatacism come from, because we're all wondering. Where is this "good news" that has changed your life? Or are you one of those types that was all buisness in the front and party time in the back, that got "saved" (from nothing) when you were five because you were looking for something more?
Tell us where your faith comes from. When were you filled with the holy spirit? At what moment did you recieve absolute proof that your perspective was right, and 5 billion other's was wrong?
Dude, you're talking to a guy who thinks he can heal people by laying hands and speaking in tongues is valid proof that Jesus is God. You might as well try and convince the Grand Wizard of the KKK circa 1952 that black people are indeed humans too.
Originally posted by Robtard
Dude, you're talking to a guy who thinks he can heal people by laying hands and speaking in tongues is valid proof that Jesus is God. You might as well try and convince the Grand Wizard of the KKK circa 1952 that black people are indeed humans too.
you'll have to excuse me. I didn't know I was talking to a brick wall. My bad.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Why do you sound so cynical and bitter? God is righteous, holy, and just. It is abundantly indicative in your tone that you don't know God personally, which is perhaps why I perceive that you sound so hurt or frustrated with God. You seem to want to know and understand God but your anger (which is cause by your lack of knowledge about God's ways) is an impediment for you. God can and will get rid of your anger if you allow Him to love you. Maybe your earthly father failed you in some way and perhaps this is the root of your rancor towards God. But God is not your problem, I assure you of this. God has never done anything to you but good. Your enemies are satan, demons, and other people who are not fully submitted to God.God and His ways are so past finding out (i.e. they are so profoundly mysterious except where God wills and chooses to make His ways known) that one illustration is not sufficient to adequately describe His multi-faceted ways (remember God is infinite). I used the parent-child analogy to describe the guiltlessness of God in terms of His children's behavior. But I have only dealt with one aspect of God's dealings with His creation. But you see God wears more than one hat as it were. God is not just our true Father, but He is our Judge as well. Hence, God must judge sinners for their sins. God is righteous and just. He does not take bribes and cannot be persuaded to adjudicate corruptly. That is why Adam and Eve died because they were separated from God (i.e. the Source of all life). God will not violate your free will. As much as God wants you to be saved and spend eternity at His feet learning from Him all of His mysteries, He will not override your free will. Did your parents not give you options as you grew up in their home? They gave you certain parameters (if they were good parents). They didn't just say, "Alright son, you are two years old now, you are on your own. We will let you do your own thing because we don't want to force you to do something that you don't want to do. We don't want to hinder or repress you in any way. We want you to prosper and flourish, so express yourself as you see fit." I am sure that is what your parents told you. No, that is not what they told you. I am positive that your parents laid down some ground rules to guide you and keep you headed in the right direction. So I said all that to say this: God has set boundaries for His creation but there is still ample room within the scope of God's will for us to express ourself and be full of joy unspeakable and full of glory. Furthermore, God has to allow every single person to exercise their free will. As a result, there are times when in the process of folks exercising their free will, that what they do encroaches on our lives personally. For example, has someone ever cut you off in traffic? Has someone ever spread malicious rumors about you behind your back? Have you ever been in a physical altercation? Have you ever had something stolen from you? Has someone ever verbally abused you? These are all examples of other people exercising their free will even to your detriment. But here is the good news: God will protect you from certain things that people attempt to do against you. Now, why some people are protected and others are not, is all in the wisdom, purpose, plan, and counsel of Almighty God. Some people believe that if they just have enough faith that they will not go through certain things. This is partly true. But friend, there are just some things that not even faith will override because it may just be the will of God for you to experience that. For instance, we all have an appointment with death. So when that time comes there is nothing we can do to escape it. Am I going off on a tangent here?
No comment or answer Imperial S.?
Originally posted by Nellinator
You seem to ignore the idea that God told us how to get to heaven. If we choose not to follow him its our own fault.
You can be a child of God without being a child. Should God need to keep the tree out of the reach of grown children. No, we should be responsible enough to know better and to get help when we OD. And God does still instruct us. It is called the Holy Spirit. "I will write the Law in their heart" or something to that effect in Jeremiah.
So, is it right for a parent to leave dangerous chemicals in easy reach of a child (as yet still without real understanding as Adam and Eve were in the garden) and expect merely saying "no, don't touch" to be enough?
Or are you saying man was somehow far wiser then the Bible gives credit for? Did God explain fully why they shouldn't do it? Apparently not. Had God already given them extensive knowledge of right and wrong? Apparently not. Did God protect them from the bad man who came and said "don't worry about what daddy said, go on... try it." Apparently not.
A father instructs his son how to be a good Christian, what is right and wrong, and that Jesus is the Savior. The Son decides becomes hooked on drugs and constantly brings the issues involved with it into the home. He eventually leaves home and ends up on the street addicted to drugs. The father still loves him and the son can return home at any time and the father will help him become well again. But its entirely up to the son whether or not he returns. That is how I see God.
Ah, but that puts God on equal level with a fallible human parent. Is not God so high above us that even when we are fully grown we are still but children to him? And you know what - I am yet to see God do a single act of parenting for me. How this is not neglect I don't know. If my parents cared for me the way God has cared for humanity (and I notice you skipped both the world drowning and Children of the Egyptians) I would have been taken away from them. And Jesus... I know so many parents who would send their son to their death for an abstract concept that by rights, if God is anywhere near as powerful as made out, should have been unnecessary.
Because you see - claiming to be a good parent means nothing if there is not the sufficient act to go with it. But then I forgot God doesn't work by acts. He operates on words. Doesn't matter how good one lives there life, without the word "saved" a person is damned. Doesn't matter how much unlike a good parent God is he says he is a father, and thus he is.
Why do you sound so cynical and bitter?
Only in your mind - the concept that a person is cynical if they find fault with God is laughable.
God is righteous, holy, and just.
Only because he, like you, have removed themselves from judgement. God can kill and stand idally by while his children kill and never become tainted by this.
Ultimately the question of Theodicy is relevant to anyone slightly rational, and until an answer can be given that reconciles Gods claims with Gods actual image then I will doubt his claims. He can say he is just and fair till the cow comes home - but while he comes of as a guy sitting on his hands while bad things happen then I will doubt, and I will be justified.
It is abundantly indicative in your tone that you don't know God personally, which is perhaps why I perceive that you sound so hurt or frustrated with God.
I suggest you get a hearing aid old boy - since I doubt the existence of God it would be hard for his inaction to hurt me. Unlike all those believers over the years who have turned away over the years after loss or suffering. But then you and those like you dismiss their actions "they aren't true believers. A true believer should be like Job, and accept the pain God lets happen. Because it makes us stronger."
You seem to want to know and understand God but your anger (which is cause by your lack of knowledge about God's ways) is an impediment for you. God can and will get rid of your anger if you allow Him to love you. Maybe your earthly father failed you in some way and perhaps this is the root of your rancor towards God. But God is not your problem, I assure you of this. God has never done anything to you but good. Your enemies are satan, demons, and other people who are not fully submitted to God.
If the people who have not submitted to God have done so because of rational problems with the religions claims then they are not my enemies. They are kin. I have no anger to God, and if he wants a follower in me - well he could easily have it. But if anything that just shows his either non-existances or inability to relate to his creation. He fails or refuses to "understand his children"? The he doesn't deserve them. Ignorance is not evil, but it is bad when one doesn't want to learn or grow. As your God apparently doesn't.
God and His ways are so past finding out (i.e. they are so profoundly mysterious except where God wills and chooses to make His ways known) that one illustration is not sufficient to adequately describe His multi-faceted ways (remember God is infinite).
Ah, and that justifies it? The same excuse kings and tyrants have used? "We are to high and powerful for you to understand or criticise!" How one could love such a pretentious, arrogant being is beyond me. What is the purpose of being in his image if we are so simple? Where is our link to God? We are like him spiritually... apparently not, his ways are so far beyond us.
I used the parent-child analogy to describe the guiltlessness of God in terms of His children's behavior.
A parent might not be to blame for the childrens choices, but they are when they fail to provide adequate care, or when they fail to provide respect and education a child deserves. Its funny - we have the most powerful parent in existence, but he does less for us then our mortal parents.
But I have only dealt with one aspect of God's dealings with His creation. But you see God wears more than one hat as it were. God is not just our true Father, but He is our Judge as well. Hence, God must judge sinners for their sins.
Then he is not impartial. There is a reason why a human judge is not allowed to make the rules of a nation, why they can't judge family. God can't claim impartiality when he is essentially a dictator of existence.
God is righteous and just. He does not take bribes and cannot be persuaded to adjudicate corruptly.
No he just has his jealous adherence to his own self worth. And he is just... why? Oh, because he claims he is. He isn't wrong for killing - because when God kills that is right. And he isn't wrong when he orders others to kill - because he is right.
etc etc etc
Which was a nice bit of preaching about how good God is and how he recognises our free will (despite still allowing the decisions of two people long ago to affect us and by letting Jesus die for us here today despite not giving us a choice.) But totally fails to address the things I mentioned.
A hypothetical, if you will.
You are going across a sky walk - you know, a bridge between two buildings. Suddenly the floor gives way! You fall, but grasp a bit of metal. You are hanging there, no way to pull yourself up. You glance up... someone is looking down at you. Now which of the following should they do:
A. Grasps you and pulls you to safety.
B. Raise their hands and say "free will clause - I can't interfere. On the plus side you are going to the after life now." and then sits back and watch as you fall to a messy death.
I believe you would say A. The difference seems to be God is looking down at millions of children dangling, and he chooses not to do anything. He hides behind metaphor and claims like "a parent has to let their child make their own choice."
Originally posted by Capt_FantasticFunny how JIA won't answer a simple question like that huh? Probably because it's from Aphrilis, and in calling it that we honour the goddess of beauty Aphrodite.
The same month as the pagan celebration of fertility and birth. A "month" that has been sacred since pre-biblical times."What!" "Blasphemy! Nothing happened before the Christian God exisited!...or was created!"
Mmm now that's a spice meatball.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Funny how JIA won't answer a simple question like that huh? Probably because it's from Aphrilis, and in calling it that we honour the goddess of beauty Aphrodite.Mmm now that's a spice meatball.
It because JIA has a patented "auto-win shield" - basically it works like this "I believe in God, the Bible tells me I am right, anything that disagrees is then wrong. I win."
Re: 2007 Rapture?
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
http://www.2007rapture.com/vision/She mentions something that I have never thought of. She states that Jesus said that no one (not even Jesus) knows the day nor hour of the rapture. But here is what she said that riveted my attention: she said that no one knows the day or hour but that Jesus said nothing about [B]year or season
. She states that God gave her the year and season but not the day nor hour of the rapture. She said that Jesus will catch away His church in the summer of 2007 (June 21-September 21).
Great reading. A good reminder for all of us on the wonderful event that is awaiting us who believe in God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit.