Slade vs Captain America(sort of)

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Nice try but your twisting scans as well. Hundred men we see some kids lifting that thing.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
The shield only absorbs impact. It doesn't make the weight magically dissapear.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Also it's pis to lift rope or tube whatever it is. 😱 🙂

Yes, we do. Lets say a bunch of kids, well I know kids smaller than that, who can lift 200 pounds. So what would be 200 x 100?
20000, which would equate into 10 tons. That's at the minimum.
Deathstroke also grabbed that sucker and ran with it, like nothing, so his power would be over that. He also took it into water.

Which is impressive but it doesn't look superior to Cap's strength feat.

Oh, so that's why it had energy coming out the top of it, and it was disappearing?

Yes shield absorbs impact but it does not make weight dissapear.

No, it's not. Cap has been shown to only lift under a ton, now your telling me that he can lift hundreds of tons????

When has Cap shown to only lift under a ton? So you accept 100 hundred men quotes but not Cap's quote, got it. Also the scan tell us 100 tons of concrete and steel fall. Not that Cap held all that portion up.

How does Slade's 10 ton strength feat NOT look impressive against Cap's measly 2/3 strength feats?

It's simple, Slade's stronger. And faster. And more durable.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
No of course not. On the contrary that just means that something we do not "know". And there fore irrelevant.

Unless you can find a DC quote that states Peakhuman in there universe is exactly the same as Marvel's definition of Peakhuman.

Considering Peakhuman can have many meanings. Especially since there's is not peak of human potential or derived by the Super-Soilder-Serum in the DC universe. Unless you have a quote that its the same as the Marvel Universe?

Lets not forget that the level of Peak of perfection in Marvel has been defined as "Pre-ternatural".
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Originally posted by Daredevil1
Irrelevant towards characters being discussed. Plus we have seen how Juggernaut treats such characters in there battles. Or on them even admitting to Juggernaut being the stronger etc etc.

Many people have commented on Slade's Superior strength, and he has plenty of combat showings to indicate that he's far Superior to Cap(I'm pointing this out because of your reasoning behind Juggs). The thing about Slade is that while his strength is exceptional, his speed is what really kills his opponents(his speed is also Superior to Cap by the way), so that's what they emphasize.

Also, the metal cable incident CAN'T really be considered PIS, because it doesn't really go against any strength showings he has. Now that may or may not be because of his relative LACK of strength showings, but the fact remains that it's about all we have to go buy as far as lifting feats. So it's therefore valid.

As I said before, I'm a HUGE Cap fan, but DS has him completely outclassed in everything except fighting ability, which Cap is slightly ahead in. That means that there's NO WAY Cap could win in a fight. Sad, but true.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Which is impressive but it doesn't look superior to Cap's strength feat.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Yes shield absorbs impact but it does not make weight dissapear.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
When has Cap shown to only lift under a ton? So you accept 100 hundred men quotes but not Cap's quote, got it. Also the scan tell us 100 tons of concrete and steel fall. Not that Cap held all that portion up.

Why did this jagoff make a thread asking a question and then he proceeded to take every comment personally while arguing his own answer to the question he posted.

If you're already convinced, don't make threads about the issue...since you obviously can't handle another's point of view.

Originally posted by long pig
Why did this jagoff make a thread asking a question and then he proceeded to take every comment personally while arguing his own answer to the question he posted.

If you're already convinced, don't make threads about the issue...since you obviously can't handle another's point of view.

You know, there are quotes that describe Cap as having the strength of a platoon(or was it battalion)?

Plus if you want to base everything on a single high end feat, there is always the time Cap threw his shield hard enough to catch an ICBM.

Slade is too Clever for the much improved Captain America. however if Slade fails to take Cap seriously he'll lose.

By the way.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Er I was going to say something like that but you sumed it up quite well.

I think what they should do is elaborate on what peak human is. I have said some of this stuff before and im going to say it again....

Peak human can be enhanced.....

Kang

While Kang does not possess super-human abilities per se, he appears to be on a strength and endurance level roughly similar to Captain America, as he is able to take him on in a fairly evenly matched battle- this suggests at least some enhancement.

Also its not as simple as Cap just being one of the best combatants in the world what does this mean? Cap has heightened sense he was able to detect someone trying to ambush him by sensing a shift in the breeze. It took him one day to learn and alien martial art, this suggests that he may have taskmaster type abilities. This possibly means he can study opponents from earth in alot less time.

They need to stop saying he can only lift 800lbs. He can most likely lift a ton, 2 tons with extreme duress.

Futhermore there needs to be some consistency. The fact that Cap is peak human does not mean he cant hurt 70 toners because....

Mantis

Strength Level: Mantis possessed the normal human strength of a woman of her age, height, and build who engages in intensive regular exercise.

Mantis had extraordinary ability in the martial arts that have been developed and perfected over thousands of years by the Priests of Pama. These fighting methods place particular emphasis on the manipulation of pressure points and nerve endings on the bodies of one's opponents. Thus, by knowing the right areas of the body to strike, Mantis could stun even a being as powerful as Thor even though she herself had no superhuman strength.

Cap is not that good, but the fact of the matter is if she can do it there is nothing wrong with Cap knocking people like The Wrecker and Mr Hyde out.

I want Marvel to stop messing around and put it in black and white that his fighting skills give him the ability to stun 70 toners. If he has the ability to stun them there is also nothing wrong with him having the ability to use his skill to somehow sustain damage from them.

OH...Ok. In that case, I'm now going to say that DC's version of 'Peak Human' is HIGHER than Marvel's...unless you have a direct quote that states the contrary. Just let me know when you come up with one.

And thats the point you don't have a quote of being the same to Marvel. And I don't have mine make the comparison to peak-human irrelevant.

That's funny because I feel it's PARTICULARLY relevant to this battle since you said that combat showings aren't a good enough indication of strength, only lifting feats and the like. Well, by lifting feats(and thus YOUR standards), Thing, Colossus, and Rogue are all Superior to Juggernaut in strength. And Spiderman is actually close, since the only real lifting feat I've seen out of Juggs is when he tore and lifted the corner off a building, and Spiderman has supported that much weight before. Hell, the way your making Caps skyscraper feat out to be, I guess HE beats Juggs in strength too huh?

Many people have commented on Slade's Superior strength, and he has plenty of combat showings to indicate that he's far Superior to Cap(I'm pointing this out because of your reasoning behind Juggs). The thing about Slade is that while his strength is exceptional, his speed is what really kills his opponents(his speed is also Superior to Cap by the way), so that's what they emphasize.

Also, the metal cable incident CAN'T really be considered PIS, because it doesn't really go against any strength showings he has. Now that may or may not be because of his relative LACK of strength showings, but the fact remains that it's about all we have to go buy as far as lifting feats. So it's therefore valid.

As I said before, I'm a HUGE Cap fan, but DS has him completely outclassed in everything except fighting ability, which Cap is slightly ahead in. That means that there's NO WAY Cap could win in a fight. Sad, but true.

Your example is irrelevant we know how Collosus, Rogue stands with Juggernaut. This is not the same with two characters we have never seen face one another. Cap has tons of speed feats as well. Cap's feats can't be considered PIS as well by your logic. Even with the tube feat Valid......Cap's look more impressive.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
And thats the point you don't have a quote of being the same to Marvel. And I don't have mine make the comparison to peak-human irrelevant.

Originally posted by Daredevil1 Your example is irrelevant we know how Collosus, Rogue stands with Juggernaut. This is not the same with two characters we have never seen face one another. [/B]

Originally posted by Daredevil1 Cap has tons of speed feats as well. [/B]

Originally posted by Daredevil1 Cap's feats can't be considered PIS as well by your logic. Even with the tube feat Valid......Cap's look more impressive. [/B]

So then we'll just have to go by common sense and say that 'Peak Human' is peak human for both companies, because there's no proof to indicate otherwise(which was my point all along).

And you be wrong. Batman in DC is considered Peak-human. And he's just a regular man.

In marvel athletes like Batman who are characters like Punisher, Daredevil are not considered in the peakhuman category like Captain America.

The SSS takes you to the peak of human potential. Batman is just a man in his prime and is considere peak-human in DC. But it bares no relevance towards Cap since in the books Cap's peak has been termed to be "Preternatural", you do know what that means right?

OH...Ok. So then you are saying that Aquaman is WAAAAY stronger than Juggernaut then, since he has more strength feats than Juggs, and is considered to be in the 70-80 ton range and they've never met face to face. Is that what your saying, or does your logic only apply when it makes Marvel look better than DC?

Juggenaut can decimate guys like Thor. Do you believe Aquaman could do that do you? You really think Aquaman is that strong huh??

Or does your logic only apply to make DC look superior???

DS's speed feats trump Caps at every turn. And I never said that Cap didn't have speed feats, or that he wasn't fast by any stretch of the imagination. I only pointed out that Slade's speed is emphasized over his strength.

Cap has nice speed feats as well. I doubt there that far ahead. But I guess you would change this thread topic since you don't have strength feats that trump Caps.

How do you come to that conclusion by MY logic? When Cap has a hard time lifting things that weigh LESS than a skyscraper, than his supporting a skyscraper WOULD be considered PIS(if he was ACTUALLY supporting the weight that is). Slade on the other hand, HAS almost no strength feats, so any that he has that don't contradict are considered VALID. Are you getting it yet, or do I have to go slower for you?

Get by that logic apply it too Slade there have been times were he was not able to break regular chains. Or how about him lifting that big tube and carrying it under water easily and yet the punches that he gives Batman don't go through him or knock off his head. You mean contradictions like this or any other street level character he struggles with? Huh? Mabey you need to go slower for yourself.

You know, there are quotes that describe Cap as having the strength of a platoon(or was it battalion)?

Plus if you want to base everything on a single high end feat, there is always the time Cap threw his shield hard enough to catch an ICBM.

There are also quotes of Cap being a one man army. I know of the ICBM shield throw and the strength of that feat is more impressive then that rope pull of Slade, but the skyscrapper feat and building fall match that imo. Don't get me wrong Slade's feat is impressive but so are Cap's.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
And you be wrong. Batman in DC is considered Peak-human. And he's just a regular man.

In marvel athletes like Batman who are characters like Punisher, Daredevil are not considered in the peakhuman category like Captain America.

The SSS takes you to the peak of human potential. Batman is just a man in his prime and is considere peak-human in DC. But it bares not relevance towards Cap since in the books Cap's peak has been termed to be "Preternatural", you do know what that means right?

Originally posted by Daredevil1 Juggenaut can decimate guys like Thor. Do you believe Aquaman could do that do you? You really think Aquaman is that strong huh??

Or does your logic only apply to make DC look superior???[/B]

And I don't know if you've noticed, but I tend to argue more for Marvel than DC, because I'm a lot more familiar with Marvel.

Originally posted by Daredevil1 Cap has nice speed feats as well. I doubt there that far ahead. But I guess you would change this thread topic since you don't have strength feats that trump Caps. [/B]

Also here are two other strength feats of Cap that outclass Slade.

Notice both Ironman/Thor can feel Captain America's strength when holding him down.
http://img337.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersv1009033oc.jpg

Notice here Cap throws his shield at a ICBM.

http://img500.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericav327p097zm.jpg

Even crazier Cap throws his shield to counter a hammer already thrown by Thor. Of course Thor normally holds back but hey its still friggin impressive.

http://img500.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengers170180an.jpg

3 feats to Slade's 1 tube lift.

Batman is JUST BELOW Cap in physical ability. He's actually got quite a few strength feats that put him just below that range. And Slade is acknowledged to be Batmans Superior by far.

If Batman is just below Cap then he's close to Slade. Considering Cap is as stronger or stronger. Also considering Slade defeated Bats. But Slade after that fight was so hurt that a regular man with his hands tied behind his back put the beat down on Slade.

Hey I was going by YOUR logic. YOUR the one that said that combat feats don't apply. That means that his showing against Thor and the like wouldn't matter, because they're not lifting feats. And if combat feats ARE considered relevant, then you have to deal with things like Slade's showings against the like of Wonder Woman and Aquaman, both of whom FAR exceed Cap.

And I don't know if you've noticed, but I tend to argue more for Marvel than DC, because I'm a lot more familiar with Marvel.

Actually no because Cap has tons of fight feats as well. I just keeping thing easier on one set of feats, so I don't have to bust out tons of Cap scans. But you logic is flawed anyways. We know how Juggernaut treats the likes of Collusos. And we know how he would treat Aquaman in a fight.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
If Batman is just below Cap then he's close to Slade. Considering Cap is as stronger or stronger. Also considering Slade defeated Bats. But Slade after that fight was so hurt that a regular man with his hands tied behind his back put the beat down on Slade.

Actually no because Cap has tons of fight feats as well. I just keeping thing easier on one set of feats, so I don't have to bust out tons of Cap scans. But you logic is flawed anyways. We know how Juggernaut treats the likes of Collusos. And we know how he would treat Aquaman in a fight.

Also Cap has been labeled to be as I stated before "Preternatural"

As this seen shows. Back in WW2 Cap had too constantly fight off superhumans such as Baron Blood(who put down Namor before mind you).

As Blood was chasing Mrs. America in the high-sky among the clouds, Cap uses his strength to save her by throwing his shield high up there.

As you see in the narration it tell us Cap is indeed enhanced to be preternatural

The defintion for perternatural is supernatural or going "beyond" normal.

http://img209.imageshack.us/my.php?image=invaders41210lo.jpg

The only strength feat then that Slade has thats impressive is that metal rope lift.

Cap matches that with holding up a skyscrapper and holding up tons of debris.

But then with the links I provided above with not one but Three.

ICBM shield throw

Thor and Ironman feeling Cap's strength when there both holding him down.

Too interpeting a hammer throw thrown none other then by Thor as Cap intercepted it.

3 that outdue Slades 1. Like I said before I give a very small edge to Cap in strength.