Originally posted by Master-Borg
Midnighter is slightly faster, stronger, and knows what Logan will do before even Logan does. Midnighter wins.
no he not, again no he not. false he knows simulation which could happen not will nor can he make the simulation he wants to occur.
also what happens when Logan moves of instinct alone? there goes MD whole simulations
Midnighter is being woefully underestimated here. Can't believe Digi, who made his respect thread can even believe Wolverine could eke out a majority here...
Midnighter kicks tank shells out of mid air back into tanks for goodness sake! He is basically, the legitimate indy version version of Karate Kid!!! 😠
Originally posted by batdude123
Captain Atom.
Thought so....his statement was "It happend so fast " and "I never saw anyone without superpowers move as fast as that".
He just came from Superman/Batman into Wildstorm. He was use to Batman, then he met Grifter, followed by Midnighter. The non superpower people that he used to were slow compared to Midnighter.
He would Have said the same thing if Logan and Midnighter were swapped out Because they are both faster than Batman/Grifter or anyone else he has met without superpowers.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Midnighter is being woefully underestimated here. Can't believe Digi, who made his respect thread can even believe Wolverine could eke out a majority here...Midnighter kicks tank shells out of mid air back into tanks for goodness sake! He is basically, the legitimate indy version version of Karate Kid!!! 😠
he did it once and it not that impressive in terms of speed. it be a strength feat logan has litterally caught rockets and road them as they went by.
Originally posted by endrict
Thought so....his statement was "It happend so fast " and "I never saw anyone without superpowers move as fast as that".He just came from Superman/Batman into Wildstorm. He was use to Batman, then he met Grifter, followed by Midnighter. The non superpower people that he used to were slow compared to Midnighter.
He would Have said the same thing if Logan and Midnighter were swapped out Because they are both faster than Batman/Grifter or anyone else he has met without superpowers.
Since we are talking about this run...Grifter also stated that Midnighter was not faster than a bullet, Apollo stated he was though.
Originally posted by BattlehammerSo... being able to kick a fired tank shell out of mid air is not an impressive display of speed?
he did it once and it not that impressive in terms of speed. it be a strength feat logan has litterally caught rockets and road them as they went by.
You're right.
Because it is not an impressive display of speed.
It's an impressive display of speed, hand-eye coordination, battle reflexes that rival pre-cognition, strength, balance and durability.
I'm sorry, but riding a rocket (and I'd like to see a scan of this, because I don't know what instance you're speaking of) and actually jumping in the air to kick a rocket BACK into a tank are two feats that could not be more wildly disparate. If you think the two feats rival each other, I think you'd be well enough alone in that opinion.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
So... being able to kick a fired tank shell out of mid air is not an impressive display of speed?You're right.
Because it is not an impressive display of speed.
It's an impressive display of speed, hand-eye coordination, battle reflexes that rival pre-cognition, strength, balance and durability.
I'm sorry, but riding a rocket (and I'd like to see a scan of this, because I don't know what instance you're speaking of) and actually jumping in the air to kick a rocket BACK into a tank are two feats that could not be more wildly disparate. If you think the two feats rival each other, I think you'd be well enough alone in that opinion.
.........tank shall can be seen. DD, Logan capt and so forth have deflected bullets or object as small and fast as bullets..........back at the individuals who fired at them.
That take greater speed, reflexes, hand-eye coordination.
The only thing that was impressive about knocking a tank shell back that most streets could not do was the strenght it reguires.
speed,reflex,skill, coordination wise that feat falls under that have events wolverine,capt and DD ahve all done.
wish I had a scann, but I don't.
so sorry if im less then impressed with knocking back a tank shell.
Originally posted by BattlehammerTank shells are apt to explode on contact. You do know that, right? You do know that is the difference between a bullet and a tank shell, right? All the gunpowder from a fired bullet has disappeared to give the actual bullet its propulsion when it is first fired. It is, in effect, just a piece of flying metal. A tank shell still has an explosive charge inside of it. So, I trust you know that. So let me pose the question to you again, what's more impressive, kicking a fired tank shell back into a tank or riding a rocket / deflecting a bullet?
.........tank shall can be seen. DD, Logan capt and so forth have deflected bullets or object as small and fast as bullets..........back at the individuals who fired at them.That take greater speed, reflexes, hand-eye coordination.
The only thing that was impressive about knocking a tank shell back that most streets could not do was the strenght it reguires.
speed,reflex,skill, coordination wise that feat falls under that have events wolverine,capt and DD ahve all done.
wish I had a scann, but I don't.
so sorry if im less then impressed with knocking back a tank shell.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Tank shells are apt to explode on contact. You do know that, right? You do know that is the difference between a bullet and a tank shell, right? All the gunpowder from a fired bullet has disappeared to give the actual bullet its propulsion when it is first fired. It is, in effect, just a piece of flying metal. A tank shell still has an explosive charge inside of it. So, I trust you know that. So let me pose the question to you again, what's more impressive, kicking a fired tank shell back into a tank or riding a rocket / deflecting a bullet?
deflecting bullets take greater speed, coordination, skill.
tank shell much larger target much easier to see and no were near as fast.
hulk has caught tank shells and thrown them abck at tanks.........yet you won't see hulk catching no bullets
Originally posted by BattlehammerTank shells and artillery shells move at a velocity that usually dwarfs or greatly exceeds most hand guns and rivals that of the most powerful of rifles. Where did you get your ideas from? Not that I think artillery/tank shell velocity vs bullet velocity is common knowledge, but for you to so casually claim it to be so when that is clearly incorrect surprises even me. And your Hulk comment is quite lacking. I think most people here, even the most skeptical of Hulk detractors, will admit that Hulk is capable of sub to supersonic battle reflex and fight speeds.
deflecting bullets take greater speed, coordination, skill.tank shell much larger target much easier to see and no were near as fast.
hulk has caught tank shells and thrown them abck at tanks.........yet you won't see hulk catching no bullets
I too wish you had a scan of Wolverine catching and riding a rocket. One day I might actually be privy to this comic book reality that you call home. Chalk it up to another lost opportunity to lend credence to your opinions, Capt It Up.
Whether it's lack of exposure to Midnighter's adventures or just a mistaken sense of on-panel feats, I've said it before and I'll say it again, Midnighter is woefully underestimated.
Originally posted by Soljer
So, where did Weapon fifteen travel and/or react at many, many multiples of C?And, what did Wolverine do to impress Weapon fifteen with speed?
Logan straight up beat weapon 15 in a fight.
well not sure how fast this is but weapon 15 if not mistaken flew from earth to a space ship in space in 2 or 3 pannels.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Logan straight up beat weapon 15 in a fight.well not sure how fast this is but weapon 15 if not mistaken flew from earth to a space ship in space in 2 or 3 pannels.
Iron-man can fly from Earth to orbit in a few panels. He is nowhere near Superman-speed in flight or reaction times.
And, beating someone in a fight is not the same as impressing them on speed alone. Further, I don't believe I've ever read the Weapon 15 fight, but I recall you talking about it. Did you not say that Logan PIS'd his way to victory?
Originally posted by riceroost
No he's not. I dont think there is anyone more willing to kill people than Wolverine with the possible exception of Hitler or Stalin. Wolverine does not like to kill in general, but if he is in a fight and you attempt to use lethal force of any kind whatsoever he will kill you and not feel even slightly bad about it.And when you say BLOODLUST in general I took that to mean if both fly off the handle and go nuts who can do it better and to a greater degree. And that undeniably goes to Wolverine.
You clearly don't read The Authority.
The Midnighter loves killing people.
Even match, I'd say.