Dooku fought these two, pwnd Kenobi and lost to Anakin due to the fact that Anakin used his anger. Since Bane is stronger than Dooku he could pwn Kenobi just as easily and then take Anakin. Then add in the fact that Bane has his Orbalisks and he's easily beat Anakin. And then you add in Revan, who is even stronger than Bane with the Orbalisks and you have Obi-Wan and Anakin getting pwnd in >15 seconds.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Bane wasn't a lightsaber prodigy so it's very unlikely he would be able to take these two in a saber fight. WIth the force, it's more than possible.
Proof? He is most likely a prodigy considering how quickly he progressed, and the fact that he was able to match Kas'IM at the end.
Originally posted by Kas'Im
Proof? He is most likely a prodigy considering how quickly he progressed, and the fact that he was able to match Kas'IM at the end.
Most likely a prodigy? That doesn't really cut it Kas'im. Revan was considered a prodigy, so was Kun, Mace, etc. There was nothing stating Bane was an exceptional duelist. And he WASNT able to match Kas'im at the end, because Kas'im ended up pwning him with his Jar'kai style.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Most likely a prodigy? That doesn't really cut it Kas'im. Revan was considered a prodigy, so was Kun, Mace, etc. There was nothing stating Bane was an exceptional duelist. And he WASNT able to match Kas'im at the end, because Kas'im ended up pwning him with his Jar'kai style.
1. Just because he isn't stated to be a prodigy, doesn't mean he wasn't.
2. Logic points to him being a prodigy.
3. The fact that he was able beat Kas'Im with his saber staff works for me too.
Originally posted by Kas'Im
1. Just because he isn't stated to be a prodigy, doesn't mean he wasn't.
2. Logic points to him being a prodigy.
3. The fact that he was able beat Kas'Im with his saber staff works for me too.
1. Sorry, you can't parade the "Absence of proof isn't proof of absence" theory. Nothing points to him being a prodigy, and he did start at a late age. What is proven is his incredible force abilities.
2. No, logic doesn't.. Good try though
3. He didn't beat Kas'im, I don't know what book you're reading. It was an even fight even when Bane KNEW the temple and Kas'im didn't. And when Kas'im undid his blades into twin blades, he WTFPwned bane.
Why? Revan has been shown as master of Sith ways and powers. He's the one mastermind behind Bane's uberness. Bane wouldn't have reached his status and formulated the Rule of Two if not for Revan. In addition, Revan seems to be shown as a powerful Dark Side user. I would even say that KOTOR DS Revan could truly show how powerful Darth Revan is.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
1. Sorry, you can't parade the "Absence of proof isn't proof of absence" theory. Nothing points to him being a prodigy, and he did start at a late age. What is proven is his incredible force abilities.
2. No, logic doesn't.. Good try though
3. He didn't beat Kas'im, I don't know what book you're reading. It was an even fight even when Bane KNEW the temple and Kas'im didn't. And when Kas'im undid his blades into twin blades, he WTFPwned bane.
1. Excuse me? You can't just place one duelist over another because they were stated to being a prodigy or not, Kas'Im wasn't ever labelled as a prodigy, it's pretty obvious that he was.
2. Yes it does, and if you were a logical guy, you would know. The fact that he got so good so quick at such a late stage, and the amount he progressed in those three years speaks for itself.
3. The temple was only actually stated to give him an advantage in the way that Kas'Im couldn't escape from it, that's all (The Blade became desperate... seeking only to escape with his life. But he didn't know the temple like Bane did. Bane kept the routes to the outside cut off, slowly herding his opponent into a dead-end hallway). It was never stated to be a huge factor in their duel, only superior force mastery was stated to be an advantage that Bane had, that was the only factor mentioned
And how was it an even fight? Did you miss the descriptions of how bane continuously drove Kas'Im back (The Blademaster continued to give ground, pushing inexorably back by the raging storm of Bane's onslaught, Only some unexpected maneuver could save Kas'Im, but they had fought too many times in the past for him to surprise Bane now.)? Or how Bane knew that he was winning (Bane knew there was no other exit, and he paused at the threshold of the room to savor his victory), and how Kas'Im knew that Bane could have killed him if he hadn't stopped to gloat (you should have finished me when you had the chance)?
Bane was clearly winning in their duel, the only thing that gave Kas'im the edge was his dual sabers, which bane had never properly gone up against - the weapon was alien to him, so this speaks nothing of his dueling abilities. Did you completely miss read the many descriptions in the book where Kas'Im explains how big an advantage fighting with a weapon that is unfamiliar with the opponent is?
Originally posted by Kas'Im
1. Excuse me? You can't just place one duelist over another because they were stated to being a prodigy or not, Kas'Im wasn't ever labelled as a prodigy, it's pretty obvious that he was.
2. Yes it does, and if you were a logical guy, you would know. The fact that he got so good so quick at such a late stage, and the amount he progressed in those three years speaks for itself.
3. The temple was only actually stated to give him an advantage in the way that Kas'Im couldn't escape from it, that's all ([b]The Blade became desperate... seeking only to escape with his life. But he didn't know the temple like Bane did. Bane kept the routes to the outside cut off, slowly herding his opponent into a dead-end hallway). It was never stated to be a huge factor in their duel, only superior force mastery was stated to be an advantage that Bane had, that was the only factor mentioned
And how was it an even fight? Did you miss the descriptions of how bane continuously drove Kas'Im back (The Blademaster continued to give ground, pushing inexorably back by the raging storm of Bane's onslaught, Only some unexpected maneuver could save Kas'Im, but they had fought too many times in the past for him to surprise Bane now.)? Or how Bane knew that he was winning (Bane knew there was no other exit, and he paused at the threshold of the room to savor his victory), and how Kas'Im knew that Bane could have killed him if he hadn't stopped to gloat (you should have finished me when you had the chance)?
Bane was clearly winning in their duel, the only thing that gave Kas'im the edge was his dual sabers, which bane had never properly gone up against - the weapon was alien to him, so this speaks nothing of his dueling abilities. Did you completely miss read the many descriptions in the book where Kas'Im explains how big an advantage fighting with a weapon that is unfamiliar with the opponent is? [/B]
I guess you missed the part where Kas'im took out his twin blades and skull****ed Bane.
tUh you missed the part where Kas'im was stated as the best of the order and probably the best ever.. Try again..
And Bane was able to outclass Kas'Im at the end after only a few years of trainin, so what does that tell you?
no
Wonderful argument.
What you just mention in no way means Bane won the fight,
That's because I do that in the next post, how about you reply to it.
and that Bane knew the temple well
I just explained how it was never stated to give Bane an advantage, try again.
countered Kas'ims stuff.
In other words he was beating Kas'IM.
I guess you missed the part where Kas'im took out his twin blades and skull****ed Bane.
I guess you decided not to reply to the resy of my post...
Now again, twin blades were unfamiliar to Bane, they were an unfair added advantage that Kas'Im received. The only way we can judge how they compare as swordsman is when they fought before, and Bane was winning.
Originally posted by Kas'Im
And Bane was able to outclass Kas'Im at the end after only a few years of trainin, so what does that tell you?
Wonderful argument.
I just explained how it was never stated to give Bane an advantage, try again.
In other words he was beating Kas'IM.
Now again, twin blades were unfamiliar to Bane, they were an unfair added advantage that Kas'Im received. The only way we can judge how they compare as swordsman is when they fought before, and Bane was winning.
That he knew the temple well and stalemated Kas'im because he wasn't able to get the ending blow in.
The temple was never stated to be an added advantage in their duel. He never got a finishing blow in because he wanted to savor his victory, and toy with him, like he did to Sirak.
I guess you didn't read the book then when Bane was bushing Kas'im back because he knew the temple well..
Provide evidence dumbo, it only states that he was able to ensure that Kas'Im couldn't escape because he knew the temple better and was able to force him into a dead end. To deny it was an advantage would be foolish to state the least, but if it was a significant advantage whatsoever, it would have been stated so.
You're not beating someone unless you get a blow in. He didn't get a blow in, neither did Kas'im, so until Kas'im took out his twin blades, it was a stalemate. I suggest you look up "win" and "stalemate" in the dictionary.
Do I need to even reply to this? I think the stupidity of the post speaks for itself. Clearly you do not understand the concept of outperforming another in a duel, doesn't mean you have to have won to be beating them, just that you are performing better.
This just proves that Kas'im WAS a lightsaber prodigy because he knew ALL forms and has perfected them all. Bane was NOT winning, so I don't get this "Bane was a prodigy" crap.
If you still can't comprehend the added advantage of an unfamiliar weapon, I see no reason to continue this.
Originally posted by Kas'Im
The temple was never stated to be an added advantage in their duel. He never got a finishing blow in because he wanted to savor his victory, and toy with him, like he did to Sirak.
Provide evidence dumbo, it only states that he was able to ensure that Kas'Im couldn't escape because he knew the temple better and was able to force him into a dead end. To deny it was an advantage would be foolish to state the least, but if it was a significant advantage whatsoever, it would have been stated so.
Do I need to even reply to this? I think the stupidity of the post speaks for itself. Clearly you do not understand the concept of outperforming another in a duel, doesn't mean you have to have won to be beat[b]ing them, just that you are performing better.
If you still can't comprehend the added advantage of an unfamiliar weapon, I see no reason to continue this. [/B]