Tulak hord vs Kasim

ok so the greatest lightsaber duelist of the sith as kreia claimed vs the legendary saber dueler kasim, theres no reason for kreia to lie

Meh.. Tulak Hord threads usually aren't well recieved due to no-one knowing anything worth while about him.

We don't know anything about Tulak Hord. He might have been the greatest for his time, but we don't know how advanced saber dueling was at that time.

Kas'Im was considered one of the greatest in his time, especially in the martial era of Jedi vs. Sith

I would say kas'im takes this.

when already kreia said the great masters of that era(the kotor era) are children compared to him? why would she want to lie anyways

Are you saying that Sion is a little child compared to Tulak Hord. I highly doubt it. Kreia, while smart, probably got her facts messed up. Besides, how do you she isn't meaning something like power, not Force skill.

Tulak Hord is too much of an unknown. I'd have to give this to Kas'Im, however there's no real way of knowing. This is a pure saber fight right?

I mean sure he was said to have a unique style which seemingly was beyond the level of the standard jedi saber forms, and sure he was the best lightsaber dueler ever to Kreia's knowledge, however Kas'im has been stated to be possibly the best ever by the omniscient narrator at a point much later in time, he has mastered all seven forms and refined them over decades to perfection, and has mastered the wielding of not only 1 saber, but the saber staff and dual sabers as well.

o and not to forget the great masters of the kotor era? she said "compared to the ancient sith, we are as if children playing with toys compared to the prowess of the old masters" and she even said that the ancient sith(tulak) was a true master of lightsaber dueling, and he was powerful enough until his tomb got built in korriban

Hmm, well if she meant "we" as in herself and Exile, then I guess Tulak must be better in saber dueling. STill I go for Kas'Im.

we as in revan and all the great masters of the kotor era and considering sion and revan are remarkable duelers we can get a brief idea of how strong tulak is, and she already said he used the true form of saber combat, correct me if im wrong,

She said he had a unique form, yes. However it was most likely hyperbole, sure she wouldn't have reason to lie, but doesn't mean she wouldn't exaggerate so as to make her words sound more poetic to her student's ears.

And she wasn't including Revan when she said that, and chances are that he obtained Tulak Hord's holocron and learnt the technique anyways.

again why would she do that, she was teaching the exile about the ancient sith, what were their talents and abilities, why were the tombs built for them, and why would she exaggerate? no reason to, simple

Originally posted by San'Doria
again why would she do that, she was teaching the exile about the ancient sith, what were their talents and abilities, why were the tombs built for them, and why would she exaggerate? no reason to, simple

It was hyperbole, the old masters wouldn't make them look like kids exactly, that just doesn't make sense. It's most likely that she just wanted to be passionate, and sound poetic in front of her pupil. And a possible reason she might have to exaggerate their abilities would be so as to make the Exile prepare for the worst when up against them, so as to be prepared to do the best she could possibly ever do.

The fact that there are a bunch of reasons suggesting that Traya wasn't being 100% genuine should mean that you can't take the statement to seriously.

If Sion and Traya are "children" compared to Tulak, then Hord must be the greatest Sith in existence. Which in fact, is probably not true. Hence, her quote is a hyperbole.

again prove her quote is a hyperbole, both of u, you and kasim, again why would she want to exagerate and lie, a year ago wiki typed in that luke skywalker is a successor of tulak hord, now its erased,

Originally posted by San'Doria
again prove her quote is a hyperbole, both of u, you and kasim, again why would she want to exagerate and lie, a year ago wiki typed in that luke skywalker is a successor of tulak hord, now its erased,

Did you not read my post? There are plenty of reasons to show that she wasn't being 100% genuine or serious when she said it, the fact that the statement itself is pretty out there should tell you that you shouldn't take it too seriously.

why not? then read this from a source. and there are no reasons to show that her quote is not 100% genuine.

now read this

It was said of Hord that he was the greatest of the ancient lightsaber masters of the Sith. Kreia stated that compared to him, all the greatest masters since were as children playing with toys. He was said to have been buried with a holocron containing his teachings on lightsaber dueling. This may have been the holocron that the aspiring Sith Lashowe asked Revan to help her locate—which either ended up in the hands of Uthar Wynn or Revan himself.

Not to be rude or anything, just truthful, I'm not going to continue this until you actually start to make sense, I seriously can't understand half the stuff you say.

ok do you understand this? Kreia is a h-i-s-t-o-r-i-a-n, again, why would some one who studies the histories want to lie, you again cant prove it

But it doesn't make any sense. Based on one quote, I have to assume that Tulak Hord is probably the strongest Sith in existence!!! No way, it's probably false. Traya herself is powerful. If she's a child compared to Tulak, then Hord must be stronger than even DE Sidious, which is not true.

she said LIGTSABER SKILLs not power, the GREATEST LIGHTSABER DUELIST. and no nihilus is stronger than DE sidious