Originally posted by Validus
If he says that each second brings another chance for his redemption, why would he let himself be killed? It's not like Zemo disecting him goes against his other power showings.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
So I guess an Insane Genis Vell dressed up in a green costume isn't Photon? 😕
Yep, you are right that isnt Photon.
this is Photon.
http://img103.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=65801_pman3.jpg
Originally posted by Validus
Beta Ray Bill - 95Black Adam - 90
Superman - 90
Genis (Photon) - 105
Quasar - 95
Orion - 100
Sentry - N/A
Extremis Iron Man - 50
Firelord - 90
Current Nova (Rich Rider) - 85
Darkseid - 500 on a good day, 5 on a Loeb day
Wonder Woman - 70
Thanos - 200
Thor - 100
GL (Kyle) - Variable, 100 on a good day, 80 during typical GL jobbing
Eradicator - 95
J'onn - 95
Majestic - 90
Firestorm - 85
Stardust - 95
Wait, you see Quasar as more powerful than Superman??
And Firelord as equal to him??
I know he's potentially more powerful, but damn Vally.
Do you go off of showings, or potential, or formidability??
Showings = exactly what it means, ie canon evidence.
Potential = What could possibly be done with their powersets??
Formidability = a mix of showings, and potential.
Example 1
J'onn isn't shown as consistently formidable, but due to some decent showings here and there, and rare glimpses of latent unexplored potential, you give him a decent score, based on his overall formidability?
Originally posted by thedude1948
I think he just didnt want to accept that his death was the only way to save the universe. Photon's cosmic awareness seemed pretty random so what you said might be what happened.Yep, you are right that isnt Photon.
this is Photon.
http://img103.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=65801_pman3.jpg
Seeing as how thats how Genis looks when he removes his head gear.....
So as I said earlier, Genis Vell is Photon. 🙄
Re: Re: Re: Re: If Surfer's power level is an 100.... Waves at Genis
Originally posted by Soujaboy
He also has WW on the same lv as BRB and Thor 😕
His list isn't far from mines, to be truthful.
But i do consider Surfer to be more powerful than Superman, by a decent margin to be honest.
And while i consider Thor without the hammer to be inferior, with it, he clearly eclipses Superman, imo.
And i definitely wouldn't put Thor and BRB and WW on the same level, but ehh....
But i do take offense to Orion being lower than Superman on the power scale.
Orion has imo, the best energy projection out of the entire top tier of both major companies.
And by far.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
So as I said earlier, Genis Vell is Photon. 🙄
Sigh....Yes, Genis Vell is Photon, but Photon didnt fight King Thor. Just like Ion is Kyle Rayner. When Kyle Rayner fights someone as Green Lantern before he became Ion you dont say Ion fought that person because Green Lantern did, same with Genis Vell and Photon. so no King Thor didnt fight Photon.
Originally posted by UniOmni
Formidability = a mix of showings, and potential.Example 1
J'onn isn't shown as consistently formidable, but due to some decent showings here and there, and rare glimpses of latent unexplored potential, you give him a decent score, based on his overall formidability?
And as for Quasar and Firelord, I wasn't really thinking of how they would do against other people on the list, just against Surfer. I have Iron Man at 50 and Genis at 105 but I would certainly say Genis is more than twice as powerful. Both Firelord and Quasar could fight evenly with Supes though.
Originally posted by thedude1948
Sigh....Yes, Genis Vell is Photon, but Photon didnt fight King Thor. Just like Ion is Kyle Rayner. When Kyle Rayner fights someone as Green Lantern before he became Ion you dont say Ion fought that person because Green Lantern did, same with Genis Vell and Photon. so no King Thor didnt fight Photon.
They had their encounter after Genis manifested a version of his father’s "Cosmic Awareness," somehow activated by his transformation into a more "mature" form of himself from the future. Granting himself an omnipresent consciousness that enables him to perceive objects, individuals, and cosmic threats anywhere is the universe. Unable to control his new found power he was driven insane, hence the name change to Photon.
This is why he was able to show King Thor how Asgard was truly founded, although this was PIS considering the Odin Power grants Thor the ability to see past present and future.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
They had their encounter after Genis manifested a version of his father’s "Cosmic Awareness," somehow activated by his transformation into a more "mature" form of himself from the future. Granting himself an omnipresent consciousness that enables him to perceive objects, individuals, and cosmic threats anywhere is the universe. Unable to control his new found power he was driven insane, hence the name change to Photon.This is why he was able to show King Thor how Asgard was truly founded, although this was PIS considering the Odin Power grants Thor the ability to see past present and future.
that was Insane Genis-Vell, Go read the bio that you posted, and it'll tell you when and why he changed his name to Photon.
Re: If Surfer's power level is an 100.... Waves at Genis
Beta Ray Bill 95
Black Adam 93
Superman 95
Genis (Photon) 125+
Quasar 94
Orion 100
Sentry 95-99
Extremis Iron Man 50
Firelord 98
Current Nova (Rich Rider) 94
Darkseid 300
Wonder Woman 92
Thanos 300
Thor 98
GL (Kyle) 98
Eradicator 95
J'onn 96
Majestic 96
Firestorm 95
Stardust 98
Originally posted by Validus
When Terrax first saw Surfer he practically pissed himself in fear and then begged Norrin not to hurt him before being dragged off to some backwater planet. Like I said, all in page or two.
I actaully loved those panels. Terrax sees surfer off in the distance and wets his pants. In like a micro second Terras is stranded on some distant planet without his axe. I think this was the same planet SS found him on in the Herald Ordeal.
Terrax got owned by SS and SS wasn't even angry. He could easily kill T.
I find two things interesting in these pages.
1. Thanos is being ranked upwards of 300. Do we really see his as that Uber? I mean is this is an oeverall powerscale I wouldn't put him that high. He usualyl wins by brains, not raw power.
2. Stardust is being ranked very high. I like this and agree with is. I don't know that I would give him a 98, but he is a high tier herald and I hate when people act like he is a nobody!
Re: Re: If Surfer's power level is an 100.... Waves at Genis
Originally posted by Priest
Beta Ray Bill 95Black Adam 93
Superman 95
Genis (Photon) 125+
Quasar 94
Orion 100
Sentry 95-99
Extremis Iron Man 50
Firelord 98
Current Nova (Rich Rider) 94
Darkseid 300
Wonder Woman 92
Thanos 300
Thor 98
GL (Kyle) 98
Eradicator 95
J'onn 96
Majestic 96
Firestorm 95
Stardust 98
Best estimates so far...
Here are mine: With Surfer being a 100.
Beta Ray Bill - 94
Black Adam - 90
Superman- 96; with possiblity to be greater. I do think he holds back most of the time.
Genis (Photon) - 115
Quasar - 93.5
Orion - 95
Sentry - ?
Extremis Iron Man - 70
Firelord - 92
Current Nova (Rich Rider)- 93
Darkseid- 140
Wonder Woman- 89
Thanos- 150
Thor- 96.5
GL (Kyle)- 93.5
(Hal)- 98
Eradicator-?
J'onn- 90
Majestic- 91
Firestorm- 80
Stardust- 88
The reason I put Thanos at 150 is because if the difference between Thor and Surfer 3.5 then i believe that the difference from Thanos to Srfer should be no more than 50.
Re: If Surfer's power level is an 100.... Waves at Genis
Beta Ray Bill - 99
Black Adam - 91
Superman - 93
Genis (Photon) -120
Quasar - 95
Orion NA
Sentry - 90
Extremis Iron Man - 60
Firelord - 88
Current Nova (Rich Rider) -97
Darkseid NA
Wonder Woman -NA
Thanos - 110
Thor -97
GL (Kyle) -95
Eradicator -NA
J'onn -90
Majestic -91
Firestorm
Stardust - 91
Beta Ray Bill - 95
Black Adam - 90
Superman - 97
Legacy - 80
Captain Marvel - 93
Insane Genis - 130
Genis (Photon) - dont know
Quasar - 97
Orion - 90
Sentry - 90
Extremis Iron Man - 60
Firelord - 90
Current Nova (Rich Rider) - 90
Darkseid - 200
Wonder Woman - 75
Thanos - 120
Thor - 100
GL (Kyle) - 97
Eradicator -95
J'onn -90
Majestic -90
Firestorm - 89
Stardust - 93
Originally posted by Stupid RookieHave you ever seen Thanos actually fight? Or do you just hear about him making plans?
I find two things interesting in these pages.1. Thanos is being ranked upwards of 300. Do we really see his as that Uber? I mean is this is an oeverall powerscale I wouldn't put him that high. He usualyl wins by brains, not raw power.
2. Stardust is being ranked very high. I like this and agree with is. I don't know that I would give him a 98, but he is a high tier herald and I hate when people act like he is a nobody!
Beta Ray Bill - 95
Black Adam - 93
Superman - 90
Genis (Photon) - 200
Quasar - 97
Orion - 96
Sentry - 86
Extremis Iron Man - 40
Firelord - 85
Current Nova (Rich Rider) - 92
Darkseid - 1000+
Wonder Woman - 85
Thanos - 900
Thor - 95
GL (Kyle) - 97
Eradicator -95
J'onn -89
Majestic -90
Firestorm - 92
Stardust - 95
Probably wrong though.
Originally posted by bigbran
Have you ever seen Thanos actually fight? Or do you just hear about him making plans?Beta Ray Bill - 95
Black Adam - 93
Superman - 90
Genis (Photon) - 200
Quasar - 97
Orion - 96
Sentry - 86
Extremis Iron Man - 40
Firelord - 85
Current Nova (Rich Rider) - 92
Darkseid - 1000+
Wonder Woman - 85
Thanos - 900
Thor - 95
GL (Kyle) - 97
Eradicator -95
J'onn -89
Majestic -90
Firestorm - 92
Stardust - 95
Probably wrong though.
Yes I have, and although I have seen him Kill surfer I don't know that in terms of raw power he is 9x surfer.
I really don't see how he is 4.5x Photon.
Or lets just say more powerful than BRB, Thor, SS, Sentry, Firelord, Stardust, Quasar, and Kyle, and WW combined.
