If it became the acceptable thing to' come out' as gay, would homosexuality die off?

Originally posted by docb77
"has always"? If we assume that homosexuality is genetic then it must have arisen via mutation sometime in history. So it has a beginning. History is against it always being around as well. It is only in the past half century that it has become as big as it is. Some gay advocates say that there were just as many gays back then, but they wouldn't come out for fear of society. Again, evidence points in the other direction. Low divorce rates, More productive people with less psychological things going on, etc.

No, I don't think homosexuality is an eternal thing, it had a beginning, and we could stamp it out (if it were actually ethical to do so).

Homosexuality has been around for a LONG time... Take the Torah as an example, it states that homosexuality is a sin therefore telling us that homosexuality was around thousands of years ago and didn't recently just pop up.

The only reason divorce rates were lower is because divorce was looked down upon more so than now. I also highly doubt that homosexuality in one partner is a leading or even a major cause for divorce.

Exactly how would you stamp it out?

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
There is no gay gene.

Then what makes a person homosexual?

Originally posted by Robtard
Homosexuality has been around for a LONG time... Take the Torah as an example, it states that homosexuality is a sin therefore telling us that homosexuality was around thousands of years ago and didn't recently just pop up.

The only reason divorce rates were lower is because divorce was looked down upon more so than now. I also highly doubt that homosexuality in one partner is a leading or even a major cause for divorce.

Exactly how would you stamp it out?

and divorce was looked down on because... There's no evidence that multitudes of gays were just in hiding back then.

As far as how it could be stamped out... 2 ways.

1 - outlaw porn, execute child molesters, and promote a religious environment like that spoken of by Washington in his farewell address.

2 - the hitler method.

Of course I don't advocate #2. And I don't think that #1 will ever happen thanks to the leftists.

Originally posted by Robtard
Then what makes a person homosexual?

Nature vs nurture...

Originally posted by docb77
Nature vs nurture...

No. No one is taught to be gay. It has nothing to do with absent fathers or oppressive mothers.

Originally posted by Robtard
Then what makes a person homosexual?

I said there was no gay gene. But I didn't say it wasn't genetic. From everything I've read, it has most to do with the fact that female bodies can produce both male and female children. The child is producing it's own hormones that react with the mothers hormones. And vice versa. This interacts with the childs genetic make-up. So, while there is no single gay gene, it's genes that turn on and off depending on the child's bodily development.

Originally posted by Soleran
Ever hear of a Punnett Square?

The answer would be no to your question.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Straight couples would still have gay kids every now and then.

Originally posted by docb77
and divorce was looked down on because...

Originally posted by docb77
There's no evidence that multitudes of gays were just in hiding back then.

As far as how it could be stamped out... 2 ways.

1 - outlaw porn, execute child molesters, and promote a religious environment like that spoken of by Washington in his farewell address.

2 - the hitler method.

Of course I don't advocate #2. And I don't think that #1 will ever happen thanks to the leftists.

Religious environment. Ick.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
No. No one is taught to be gay. It has nothing to do with absent fathers or oppressive mothers.

Ah, but I didn't say anything about teaching. Nurture is a much broader concept than just upbringing. It entails the complete environment during such an upbringing - Dietary, Emotional, Intellectual, Psychological, physical, etc. there are plenty of factors in nurture that could contribute to homosexuality that we may or may not be able to divine.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
People were socially constrained enough to think that staying together and being miserable, constantly fighting, and never having sex is better than accepting you're not meant to be together, parting ways in search of someone more suited.
Your response implies that you believe porn and child molestation are linked to homosexuality. That the latter is somehow dependent upon the former.

Religious environment. Ick.

The evidence is to the contrary. While there were a few dysfunctional families, Families worked better back then than they do now. You're leaping to conclusions about the past. The evidence on the other hand is more favorable to the fact that marriage has only recently started disintigrating.

Yes, I do think that porn and child abuse are linked to homosexuality. I think that they are linked to a host of other societal ills as well. I don't think that they are the only factors, but they are prominent. They're rise in the past few decades corresponds nicely with the destruction of the family.

Out of the closet ............Oii Vey...I'm gay............

Flowers still smell nice.......

Originally posted by docb77

1 - outlaw porn, execute child molesters, and promote a religious environment like that spoken of by Washington in his farewell address.

WHAT!?

Sorry buddy, but I like having titties waved in my face and watching two(or more) consenting adults get freaky.

Kind of odd how you group porn and child molestation in the same category. They aren't even related. One is a crime.

And Washington had wooden teeth. Screw that guy.

Originally posted by docb77

Yes, I do think that porn and child abuse are linked to homosexuality. I think that they are linked to a host of other societal ills as well. I don't think that they are the only factors, but they are prominent. They're rise in the past few decades corresponds nicely with the destruction of the family.

There's also a correlation between believing in God and violent crimes.

http://humaniststudies.org/enews/index.html?id=219&article=7

I say do away with religion.

Originally posted by docb77
and divorce was looked down on because... There's no evidence that multitudes of gays were just in hiding back then.

As far as how it could be stamped out... 2 ways.

1 - outlaw porn, execute child molesters, and promote a religious environment like that spoken of by Washington in his farewell address.

2 - the hitler method.

Of course I don't advocate #2. And I don't think that #1 will ever happen thanks to the leftists.

Nature vs nurture...

LOL... If you actually believe that porn makes people gay and that all child molesters are homosexual then you're delusional my friend. There is absolutely no connection between porn making people gay and most child molesters are not homosexual. Two facts.

As far as your religious utopia goes, that would be doomed from the start... For one, religion controlled or influenced governments lead to oppression, as seen by the theocracies of the pass and present. Religion can easily be used as a tool for corruption and besides, how would this work in America when we have "Freedom of Religion"? You could never choose one religion over another and having multiple religions influencing the government would lead to constant conflicts of interest.

Not sure what you mean by "Nature vs nurture"? You imply that straight people are made gay and that just isn't so.

Originally posted by docb77
The evidence is to the contrary. While there were a few dysfunctional families, Families worked better back then than they do now. You're leaping to conclusions about the past. The evidence on the other hand is more favorable to the fact that marriage has only recently started disintigrating.

Marriage is in decline because it's an outdated artificial social construct a piece of paper and a ceremony do not determine how much two people love each other. Divorce is rising because there are no social constraints to prevent people who are unhappy together from separating.

Originally posted by docb77
Yes, I do think that porn and child abuse are linked to homosexuality. I think that they are linked to a host of other societal ills as well. I don't think that they are the only factors, but they are prominent. They're rise in the past few decades corresponds nicely with the destruction of the family.

Originally posted by docb77
Ah, but I didn't say anything about teaching. Nurture is a much broader concept than just upbringing. It entails the complete environment during such an upbringing - Dietary, Emotional, Intellectual, Psychological, physical, etc. there are plenty of factors in nurture that could contribute to homosexuality that we may or may not be able to divine.

I think you mean devise. Dietary? Are you ****ing kidding me? Because I ate mentos and breast milk, I'm gay? As for everything else, it was addressed by my last post. No one abused me, no one was overbearing, I was encouraged to play sports and compete, I had a father until long after I knew I was gay, there were no subliminal gay vibes sent my way, no one encouraged me to take ballet or singing lessons, I played with GI Joe figures. My brother, my father and my grandfather were all car enthusiasts that tried their best to get me to have some measure of interest in engines, racing and tough-guy attitudes and what kind of oil goes in which engine. But it didn't happen that way.

you people who think that kids were raised to be gay, knowingly or not, need to reconsider their own upbringing. Maybe you'd be gay if you could get anyone of either sex to sleep with you. As they say, "don't hate the player, hate the game".

Originally posted by docb77
Yes, I do think that porn and child abuse are linked to homosexuality.

that's ignorant.

I understand you've bought into the whole, mom and dad, apple pie, sacrific ethic crap that was sold to teh American public back then, but the same familial issues existed back then. The only difference is that child and spouse abuse was less prosecuted. Women could vote, but they were a weak lobbying position at teh time. If you want to live in the past, I invite you to do so. But the rest of the world has decided to move on. If you'd like to join us, then fall in line with the reality of today. Screw this "wish we could go back to teh old days" crap. The past is over. You argue it's better? I argue it's irrelevent. If you want to go back to the days of 4 channels and adds about how wonderful cigarettes and alcohol are, then you're free to do so. Unplug your tv, the computer you spew this crap on, sit by the front dorr waiting on the milk man, wait for Lassie to come tell you Timmy is trapped in a well and tell your woman to get in the kitchen-bare foot and pregnant. But the rest of us will stay here in our high speed, 450 channel, HDTV, DVD-watching, microwavable, solar powerd world that we love.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
I think you mean devise. Dietary? Are you ****ing kidding me? Because I ate mentos and breast milk, I'm gay? As for everything else, it was addressed by my last post. No one abused me, no one was overbearing, I was encouraged to play sports and compete, I had a father until long after I knew I was gay, there were no subliminal gay vibes sent my way, no one encouraged me to take ballet or singing lessons, I played with GI Joe figures. My brother, my father and my grandfather were all car enthusiasts that tried their best to get me to have some measure of interest in engines, racing and tough-guy attitudes and what kind of oil goes in which engine. But it didn't happen that way.

you people who think that kids were raised to be gay, knowingly or not, need to reconsider their own upbringing. Maybe you'd be gay if you could get anyone of either sex to sleep with you. As they say, "don't hate the player, hate the game".

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
How exactly did you play with G.I. Joe though? dodgy

Sorry, couldn't resist.

i didn't really play with GI Joe. I'm more a Cobra man myself. There were lot;s of rallies and book burnings in my GI Joe (Cobra) world. Duke and Snake Eyes trying to escape concentration camps and what-not. GI Joe was reduced to little more than Hogan's Heroes. But Cobra, they could get shit done.

Fact, Porn alters brain chemistry. Not much of a stretch from there to think that it could lead to aberrant behavior. Not saying that all people who look at porn turn into monsters, but some do. In other words, Not all porn addicts are sexual deviants, but all sexual deviants are porn addicts. I think you're stretching it if you think there's no relation at all.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
I think you mean devise. Dietary? Are you ****ing kidding me? Because I ate mentos and breast milk, I'm gay? As for everything else, it was addressed by my last post. No one abused me, no one was overbearing, I was encouraged to play sports and compete, I had a father until long after I knew I was gay, there were no subliminal gay vibes sent my way, no one encouraged me to take ballet or singing lessons, I played with GI Joe figures. My brother, my father and my grandfather were all car enthusiasts that tried their best to get me to have some measure of interest in engines, racing and tough-guy attitudes and what kind of oil goes in which engine. But it didn't happen that way.

you people who think that kids were raised to be gay, knowingly or not, need to reconsider their own upbringing. Maybe you'd be gay if you could get anyone of either sex to sleep with you. As they say, "don't hate the player, hate the game".

I didn't say diet caused it. I only pointed out that nurture involved more than what mommy and daddy teach you. Drugs alter brain chemistry too, who knows what effects things that mothers take have on children in the womb. There's plenty of possibilites for causes of homosexuality outside of genetics.

Originally posted by Robtard
LOL... If you actually believe that porn makes people gay and that all child molesters are homosexual then you're delusional my friend. There is absolutely no connection between porn making people gay and most child molesters are not homosexual. Two facts.

As far as your religious utopia goes, that would be doomed from the start... For one, religion controlled or influenced governments lead to oppression, as seen by the theocracies of the pass and present. Religion can easily be used as a tool for corruption and besides, how would this work in America when we have "Freedom of Religion"? You could never choose one religion over another and having multiple religions influencing the government would lead to constant conflicts of interest.

Not sure what you mean by "Nature vs nurture"? You imply that straight people are made gay and that just isn't so.

Did I say I wanted to live in a theocracy? I don't think so. What I did say is that the people that live under this democratic republic should be more religious. Read the speech I mentioned before you leap to conclusions.

And yes, the decline of marriage has a correlation with the increase of various aberrant behaviors. Can anyone prove cause and effect? No, that's true of most statistics. But my opinion that they, along with pornography, are related is just as intelligent as any of the opposing opinions I've read. Moreso more often than not.

"I know! We'll dig out way out. No, no, dig up, stupid."

"Porn causes people to become gay."
"Porn causes aberrant behaviour."
"Porn can turn people into monsters."
"People who watch porn become sexual deviants."

So is one to surmise that to you gay people are monstrous sexual deviants prone to aberrant behaviour?

Your opinion is just the backward beliefs of a bigot.

Look mom, alliteration.

Originally posted by docb77
Fact, Porn alters brain chemistry. Not much of a stretch from there to think that it could lead to aberrant behavior. Not saying that all people who look at porn turn into monsters, but some do. In other words, Not all porn addicts are sexual deviants, but all sexual deviants are porn addicts. I think you're stretching it if you think there's no relation at all.

In what sense? Any sexual arousal could be said to be altering ones brain chemistry - what is the difference seeing, say, a female engaged in a sexual act on a piece of film and seeing ones wife engaged in a sexual act in front of you?

Porn is a byproduct of sexual desire, both normal and deviant - not the other way round. A heterosexual watches heterosexual pornography due to a desire to fulfill a sexual need, a pedophile acquires child pornography for the same reason. Not the other way round, a normal person doesn't see child pornography and get turned, just like a heterosexual doesn't see gay pornography and become turned.

Pornography is an effect of sexuality, not a cause.

I do believe he's saying pornography as a whole whether it's a man with a woman, a woman with a woman, a man with a man, or multiple combinations of the above, is the cause of homosexuality. Which is somewhere in my top 200 stupidest things I've heard this week. But since about 185 of those are things from JIA I think I can say it makes it into the top 20.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I do believe he's saying pornography as a whole whether it's a man with a woman, a woman with a woman, a man with a man, or multiple combinations of the above, is the cause of homosexuality. Which is somewhere in my top 200 stupidest things I've heard this week. But since about 185 of those are things from JIA I think I can say it makes it into the top 20.

I would have to agree.