Gambit vs. Spider-woman

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
So, everything I said still holds true.

From what you've said, Jessica has ENHANCED speed, agility, ectera.
Gambit augments his physical abilities to SUPERHUMAN levels.

Superhuman > Enhanced

So, she has the flight and definite strength advantages. No question or argument about that.

I would give Gambit the range advantage, on one part because of his extraordinary abilities in that department, and onther due to the fact that he doesn't need to hit straight on. After he's charged an object, he can detonate it at will. A single charged card can have building-destroying abilities.

I would also give Gambit the H2H advantage. On his own, he's by far no slouch, and equipped with the staff, he can detonate explosions on impact. Or, even charge up her very suit.

How would her immunity to toxic substances help here?

I'm just saying it would if it was Death Gambit instead of classic Gambit. And since they're pretty much describe as having the same level of agility and speed, I still give it to Jessica. All it takes is one punch to K.O. the Raging Cajun. BTW, was Gambit trained by Taskmaster? I say Jessica has the advantage H2H.

Someone's turning a low-tiered character like Gambit here into Superman. Jessica Drew will not even have problems with this battle. She has so much at her disposal to consider Gambit a threat. Besides, even if all her powers were taken away, she can still use her training and experience with HYDRA and SHIELD to her advantage. Let's be more logical here guys...

SW wins this one. She has flight advantage, can also battle long distance (I'd even give her an advantage here cause while he has to use projectiles so has her ow abilities to go with). She's at least just as fast (I'd even say faster), stronger and has a h2h advantage. Jess takes it

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Gambit's fast enough to dodge most of them anyways, amping up all his physical stats with his powers.

Is she capable of dodging the projectiles that he throws? Don't downplay his throwing ability. He's on a near-bullseye level with his cards.

Jack Russel dodged Gambits cards easily and even suprised him.

Against agile opponents I dont know if he is that good.

Gambit could definatly charge Jessica's suit if he got a hold of her, he has charged people's clothing before, the result is ugly...I think the Pharamone and the Charm kind of cancel eachother out here, if they dont it turns into Porn like the other guy said, Venom blasts could get gambit from afar...Im saying Gambit 7/10

But Jessica's a flier. Gamibt isn't grabbing her suit. Al see has to worry about are his projectiles and with her speed and agility it won't be too hard for her. Gambit has to watch out for her venom blasts and since she doesn't have to charge up or anything to use it he'll most likely be on the defensive most of the time. Jess 8/10

But Gambit doesn't have to hit her. As long as the card comes within a close enough proximity to her, he can detonate it at will.

And his cards have leveled entire floors of buildings, and thats not the maximum level for their explosive capablities.

Gambit 6/10

But Gambit doesn't have to hit her. As long as the card comes within a close enough proximity to her, he can detonate it at will.

And his cards have leveled entire floors of buildings, and thats not the maximum level for their explosive capablities.

Gambit 6/10

Gambit isn't hitting SW when she is airborn, and he is not dodging her Venom blasts that on panel "are the speed of light."

Even if he managed to dodge single blasts, she can alter the range and expel them from every part of her body, he won't be dodging that.

A single venom blast can kill a normal human being, as far as I know Gambit doesn't have superhuman durability.

If it goes H2H...Jessica has been trained by both S.H.I.E.L.D and Hydra, and has the advantage of strength/speed/agility.

BTW, was Gambit trained by Taskmaster? I say Jessica has the advantage H2H.

Have to go Spider Woman, mainly because she out classes Gambit in power range...

Originally posted by What If...
1. Gambit isn't hitting SW when she is airborn, and he is not dodging her Venom blasts that on panel "are the speed of light."

2. Even if he managed to dodge single blasts, she can alter the range and expel them from every part of her body, he won't be dodging that.

3. A single venom blast can kill a normal human being, as far as I know Gambit doesn't have superhuman durability.

4. If it goes H2H...Jessica has been trained by both S.H.I.E.L.D and Hydra, and has the advantage of strength/speed/agility.

1. Again, he doesn't have to hit her. And he doesn't have to dodge the blast, just move before she shoots.

2. Thats fairly OoC for Jessica to do. Even then, their on top of the daily bugle... Gambit could sale down the side, or use any aspect of the environment to dodge such a blast.

3. No, she can power a blast so that it POTENTIALLY kill a human being with one hit. She'll probably underestimate Gambit, and wont charge such a blast. Even then, Gambit has superhuman agility. He can dodge before she shoots.

4. If it goes H2H, Gambit has an adamantium staff...
that can explode on contact with her...
or he can just charge up her suit...

Not to mention, he probably has better aim then her with his cards, and DOESN'T NEED TO HIT HER for them to severley damage her.

Tell me about Gambit's charming ability, I've never seen him stop an enemy in their tracks.

Thats fairly OoC for Jessica to do. Even then, their on top of the daily bugle... Gambit could sale down the side, or use any aspect of the environment to dodge such a blast.

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This Venom Blast left 100's of people at peak human durabilty (just like Gambit) unconscious. A more concentrated, smaller area blast would have even worse consequences.

Originally posted by What If...
Tell me about Gambit's charming ability, I've never seen him stop an enemy in their tracks.

So when an area of energy is flying at Gambit at the speed of light, he is going to run to the edge, hop down, and scale it? Mhmm.

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This Venom Blast left 100[b]'s of people at peak human durabilty (just like Gambit) unconscious. A more concentrated, smaller area blast would have even worse consequences. [/B]

Well, I'd expect Gambit's charming ability probably isn't as strong as SW's (which, I'm sure you know, stop an enraged Wrecker and made him like a child.)

However, for that to work, she had to be up close. There won't be any CIS here that gives her enough time to let her up close, and have a conversation with Gambit. He would just crack an exploding staff against her head if she came within range.

She doesn't fly at the speed of light... and if theres a fire escape, or anything whatsoever on the side of the building (or nearby buildings), I find that very plausible

Correct, it would have worse consequences. IF that was IC for her to use against one single man, and IF it hit him.

And you ignored the rest of my post. I'm not saying Gambit takes a healthy majority, but he SHOULD take a majority.

She doesn't fly at the speed of light... and if theres a fire escape, or anything whatsoever on the side of the building (or nearby buildings), I find that very plausible

Correct, it would have worse consequences. IF that was IC for her to use against one single man, and IF it hit him.

And you ignored the rest of my post. I'm not saying Gambit takes a healthy majority, but he SHOULD take a majority.

I'm not saying she flys at the speed of light, but her energy blasts do.
I don't think you understand what I'M saying...

If a sphere of energy directed at a certain spot is coming at Gambit at the speed of light, lets say 40 feet above his head, he isn't going to have time to run to the side of the building, and jump off...he will be KO'ed

I really don't think Gambit should have the majority, she outclasses him in every but H2H (and only because he has a wepaon.)

His artilery is eventually going to run out, she flys....flight is what is going to give SW the majority.

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Originally posted by What If...
I'm not saying she flys at the speed of light, but her energy blasts do.
I don't think you understand what I'M saying...

[b]If a sphere of energy directed at a certain spot is coming at Gambit at the speed of light, lets say 40 feet above his head, he isn't going to have time to run to the side of the building, and jump off...he will be KO'ed

I really don't think Gambit should have the majority, she outclasses him in every but H2H (and only because he has a wepaon.)

His artilery is eventually going to run out, she flys....flight is what is going to give SW the majority. [/B]

Obviously Gambit can't dodge her if the blast is already fired. But it's the same concept as someone dodging one of Cyclops eye blasts (only this is much, much more plausible)

She aims... he moves... she fires.
She misses. You see?

Gambit also has better aim, and better ranged attacks. Lets say he charges a card. She aims. He ducks behind a ventillator. She hits the metal device. He throws his card. She moves a bit to avoid it. It still comes within ten feet of her, and releases an explosion capable of levelling a building.

Game over.

Gambit 6/10

i'm fairly sure gambit is faster than jessica drew. does she have any speed feats i should be aware of?

She aims... he moves... she fires.
She misses. You see?

She isn't directing her hands at him, the energy emits off every place on her body, there would be NO WAY he would know which way to move.

Spider-woman could just swhoop down, touch the roofing, and the whole area would be buzzing with electrical energy that would easily KO Gambit.
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i'm fairly sure gambit is faster than jessica drew. does she have any speed feats i should be aware of?

She was also fast enough to grab then stab Wolverine with his own claws before he could react

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Originally posted by What If...
She isn't directing her hands at him, the energy emits off every place on her body, there would be NO WAY he would know which way to move.

Spider-woman could just swhoop down, touch the roofing, and the whole area would be buzzing with electrical energy that would easily KO Gambit.
http://img77.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sw24jw.jpg

OR, He could dodge behind something, as I've repeatedly said. Gambit is a master of using the environment to his advantage. And, possibly due to CIS, SW almost always uses her fingers. It's not about what she can do, it's about what she would do.

And, the 'charging the roof' thing is plausible for both of them, so while she COULD swoop down to touch it, Gambit COULD have already charged it... something he's done repeatedly in the past

Originally posted by What If...
Besides the usual dodging punches, etc...
She threw a lamp post, then jumped in front of it...I don't see how you could get much faster.
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She was also fast enough to grab then stab Wolverine with his own claws before he could react

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Hyperbole. She never jumped in front of the lamp post. She just tackled the guy's legs a milisecond before it hit him. Basically, she momentarily caught up. That can't be measured as travel speed (which is whats relevant in this match) because it's the speed of a leap and not running or flying.

As for the second one, thats not even a speed feat. Even if it was, it's combat speed and not travel speed. That's only relevant in H2H battles...

Which, I repeat, would be a very bad choice for SW

OR, He could dodge behind something, as I've repeatedly said. Gambit is a master of using the environment to his advantage. And, possibly due to CIS, SW almost always uses her fingers.

Spider-woman's venom blasts have crushed tanks....there is NOTHING on that roof that will not be destroyed along with Gambit.

And, the 'charging the roof' thing is plausible for both of them, so while she COULD swoop down to touch it, Gambit COULD have already charged it... something he's done repeatedly in the past

Hyperbole. She never jumped in front of the lamp post. She just tackled the guy's legs a milisecond before it hit him. Basically, she momentarily caught up. That can't be measured as travel speed (which is whats relevant in this match) because it's the speed of a leap and not running or flying.

It's not about what she can do, it's about what she would do

quote:
It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first picosecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels.

That quote only proves that she is ALLOWED to use that tactic on the forum. When it is propper for the threat. It doesn't say anything about CIS. Spider-Woman, like it or not, is not going to power up her venom blasts to tank-destroying level when she's battling one singular man.

I believe the propper quote would be this:

Originally posted by Forum Rules
Character Induced Stupidity, or CIS, on the other hand, refers to any natural mental limitations that characters impose upon themselves and reduce their ability to use their own skills and powers effectively. Unlike PIS, CIS does not occur because the plot requires it, but because the character is genuinely that dumb. Examples of the CIS-afflicted include characters such as Rhino or Jar Jar Binks. Events of CIS are not exempt from debates.