Originally posted by JesusIsAlivesorry for the triple post but this article is incredibly biased. Everytime it mentions the accomplishments of Muhammed, it puts allegedly or supposedly in front of them, but with the accomplishments of Jesus, the writer of the article didn't put anything in front as if they were automatically true, even though the accomplishments of muhammed seem much more logical.
Are Jesus and Muhammed alike? Find out here:
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveSo... why did he write the laws in the first place if he was just gonna break them when he came to earth in person. Why didn't he just tell the lawmakers to change them from heaven.
Well, when you are God in the flesh and the Author of the Torah (it is His Word not man's) you can do that. Jesus Christ is Lord and He is Lord of the Sabbath which he created and instituted.[b]Matthew 12:8
For the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”Mark 2:28
Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.”Luke 6:5
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And He said to them, “The Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.”
Originally posted by Amazing Vrayo!!
So... why did he write the laws in the first place if he was just gonna break them when he came to earth in person. Why didn't he just tell the lawmakers to change them from heaven.
Jesus came to fulfill the Law. The Law was our schoolmaster to lead or point us to Christ. The Law shows humanity our sinful nature and inability to live up to God's standards of holiness. That is why we must be declared righteous through faith in Jesus Christ.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Jesus came to fulfill the Law. The Law was our schoolmaster to lead or point us to Christ. The Law shows humanity our sinful nature and inability to live up to God's standards of holiness. That is why we must be declared righteous through faith in Jesus Christ.
And then we can sin like crazy, right? Do as Jesus did...
Originally posted by Amazing Vrayo!!
So, Jesus has the same weaknesses as we do by breaking those laws.
The Lord Jesus Christ never sinned.
God the Father condemned sin in the Person of Jesus Christ so that all who trust in Jesus Christ can be saved from the wages of sin.
1 Peter 2:21-22
21 For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps:
22 “ Who committed no sin,
Nor was deceit found in His mouth ”;
Originally posted by Regret
Muhammad made mistakes in pursuit of his vision, else the middle east would be a more calm and peaceful area, it is not.
Before Islam the desert Arabia tribes were continuously at war with one another over blood feuds that were ages old. When Muhammad came he united all the tribes under the banner of Islam. It was significantly more peaceful after Muhammad than before.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
No Jesus and Muhammad were not alike. They were totally different.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
The only alikeness between Islam and Christianity however, is the fairy tale.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Both religions consist of some sadistic deity who will torture you slowly and painfully for the rest of eternity.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
But the differance between the Prophets are great, and basic ones are rather obvious.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
First one is that Jesus tried to change the already existing laws of a religion (Judaism) into something more hippie like, while Muhammad tried to incorporate everything about Pagan Arabian religion, plus himself as a leader.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Some other differances include -Muhammad lead raids and battles, while Jesus didn't.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Also Muhammad was recorded in the holy books(Hadith), by Muslims themselves to be a paedo, while Jesus was not recorded to be a paedo.
Only Hisham have made this claim. For starters; check this link.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Muhammad was recorded, by Muslims, in holy book to have tortured and killed, while Jesus was not recorded to have tortured and killed.
I assume that you are talking about the case of Kinana. Can you provide any authentic source for this claim (preferably non-christian one)?
The rebuttal to this claim is compiled here.
You should understand that their were people back then (during times of prophet Muhammad (PBUH)), who conspired against him and wanted to tarnish his image and malign Islam.
Kinana was not pious and he was guilty of killing a muslim man. This is why he was executed. The factor of hidden treasure is baseless. Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) never gave importance to keeping treasures. He always distributed them among the people.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Muhammad was recorded by Muslims and historians to have been a warlord, while Jesus was not recorded to be a warlord.
Regarding non-muslim historians; I can understand their vendetta.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
etc...etc...etc...They are generally very different anyway - not sure why we're comparing them to begin with?
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
While I do not agree with anything Muhammad did, said, nor do I agree with his existance, that does not however prove devinity of Jesus.
In fact, Muhammad had nothing to do with Jesus...provided that is what you were trying to prove.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien Can you... prove they were real?
Read history. Everything about them is recorded; where they were born; where they lived; who were their parents; what they did.
Most importantly, the impact of their works last to this day: spread of Islam and Christianity.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Actually, this is wrong. Merely through evidence of what one and the other preached.The reason why there is a massive debate regarding whether Jesus was thought by Buddhists/Hindus was because his words correlated to those of Buddha and Krishna.
The very religion Muhammad brought in (which already existed, for the larger part) is ''submission'' to him and to God
(hence word Islam, meaning submission.)
Philosopher, Orator, Apostle, Legislator, Warrior, Conqueror of ideas Restorer of rational beliefs, of a cult without images; the founder of twenty terrestrial empires and of one spiritual empire, that is Muhammed. As regards all standards by which human greatness may be measured, we may well ask, is there any man greater than he?Lamartine, Historie de la Turquie, Paris 1854, Vol. 11 pp. 276-2727
Regarding meaning of Islam:
Islam is derived from the Arabic root "Salema": peace, purity, submission and obedience. In the religious sense, Islam means submission to the will of God and obedience to His law.
What is mandatory is to accept that prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is the messenger of God Almighty. And muslims believe in his teachings.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Allah already existed as the God of Moon, as did pretty much every other aspect of Islamic religion today. Raise of Muhammad was political and social as well AS religious. This is a complete life set.I the Hadiths you will find EVERYTHING about how you are to lead your life, from birth, to having a shit, to what side of the table you are to pass a glass of milk, all the way to the fact that you are not allowed to whipe your hands on a cloth, before you've licked your fingers.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
The reason Muhammad was not a philosopher was simply because he did not bring in any philosophy which was different to what Arabs already had.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Hence Arabs doubted him up until the last one was killed off.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Arabs were also smarter than a lot of people will think. When Muhammad came to them and told them he is a prophet of god Arabs asked him for PROOF!
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
They asked him to call upon Allah and Angels so they, for themselves can see him as a prophet of God.
To think of Arabs as backward, savage or stupid before Muhammad does not do justice to the Pagan Arbaians at all.
However it is a very popular thought, for whatever reason.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Jesus was a different kind of prophet - he had a philosophy, (which as I already said correlates with a lot of ''Eastern'' religions of enlightenment and inner peace, etc.)
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
My personal thought is that Jesus was not a son of Deity, but that it is merely something attributed to him by his followers in his memory our of respect for him, which later became ''gospel'' for Christians. (gospel - boom boom chisss!!).
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
As a historical figure, I respect Jesus, much more so than I respect Muhammad.
Muhammad was an interesting figure, and he should NOT be mixed and compared to Jesus.
However, do check this source.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
They initially had different kinds of ideas and different kinds of vision for the world. It is the same thing as comparing Che Guevara and Gandhi.I like Che, for the political reasons, for the underlying thing he wanted to happen, however he cannot compare to Gandhi, who inevitably resented anything which advocated violence.