CotBP - Ended in 2 ways?

I 100% agree

I think its such a silly thing to add Jack as a spanner in the works. Its so unrealistic to do that with such a popular a main character(who is in fact the money of the movie) and the lead female

Will Turner is not why this movie sells..So its not like a Harry Potter deal..with Ron/Hermione

and this is not a story we already know the end to like phantom of the opera, Romeo and Juliet or Titanic..we know that the main and most loved character will or might possibly lose the main girl so it softens the blow.

IMO Will is not even needed in the story for it to be successful..he wasnt even needed in movie 1 ..but they had to add him cuz Jack was a rather large risk.

You can see them slightly miliking the Jack/Liz potential even with that movie(the chemistry is more interesting...but sadly they couldnt head that way..BACK THEN that is

but why not keep the door open?..

but instead of making it too obvious..they cut out much of the J/E suggestivness because it would make Will look all the more pointless as a character..

will was actually really necessary for dmc to turn out how it did...i mean, without will jack and elizabeth would never have met after the first time where he saves her, its really will who pulls them together, and gets them stranded on the island really, so thanks to will they have their moments🙂

Will's not pointless, though. Let's say he wasn't in the story at all. Okay, Jack would stay in jail and never think twice about the girl he rescued earlier that day. He would rot away in jail and he would have no leverage to get the Pearl back and Bootstrap Bill would have no son to love and sacrifice himself for.

You can't make a love story too simple and if nothing else, Will complicates Jack and Liz's relationship because both of them care for Will in their own ways. I just think it's unfair to take a story with such a crafty plot, such a moving story, such clever action as POTC and say one of the leading roles has no purpose.

Plus it's his blood to relieve the curse. It's him Beckett sends after Jack and it's Will that saves Jack's crew. We see him totally in his element on the cannibal island. He's a natural leader and a brilliant fighter. Maybe if he was played by someone else or his character wasn't naturally just Jack Sparrow's ward, people would see his high points a little better.

Well that could be part of it but I just personally dont like that kind of heroic always having to be perfect kind of character, and that what bugs me about him...i dont know about anyone else but if hewas a litle darker then I would personally see him as a more likeable character

Ok my honest opinions on Will. True he is not the money maker of the movie. He is, weather we like it or not, one of the main character. But the MAN and THE MAIN character is Jack. Will doesnt add to the story much meaning as a he and liz as a couple. They are both not compatible enough. I agree to that. But he isnt all tha pointless. Sometimes I think that it was him that broguht Jack/Liz together.

I kinda looked into COTBP in the deleted scene of the island with Jack Liz. If it wasnt for Wills sacrifice and bringing up that hes the son of bootstrap jack/liz wouldnt be killed right away. Instead they were marooned and thats where the bonding with jack/liz started. Thats one thing Jack was angry about Will, he did, according to Jack, something stupid.

Same thing for AWE, I think. If it wasnt for Will's sacrifice on killing davey, Pirates wouldnt have a chance against EITC. And after his departure, it could be possible for Jack/Liz to get even closer. And, again, I believe that Jack is gonna be angry at Will for doing something stupid.

ur right it IS him who brought them togetyer..i always thought that....so as much a s a lot of us hate it, we need him. so get over it people...if it wanst for him liz and Jack would ahve probably never met

I actually think the canibal Island was to show us 3 things

1. The dog

2. Jack's luck

3. Will's luck

Come on guys..the only reason people think Will should be here is because he already been introduced...if he was never introduced then DMC/AWE would have still flowed and worked perfectly fine.

you can see how flat his character really is. There are no dimensions..He worked in movie 1 because he was the lead hero and Jack was a risk so they had to do that its obvious.

Now they have to kind of seperate his story from Jack/Liz because hardly any stories have two main men like that.

He's not needed at all. So many critics and audience just dont get why he is there...

chiki they have had to revolve the story around him because he's there now and there is nothing they can do about it. They could have used norrington to stab the heart if Will was not there, they could have used Barbossa (two meaningful characters)

before I was even a shipper and watching DMC..I was bored out of my skull watching Will meet his dad and being on the dutchman with the dice..SO BORING

my friend was yawning next to me lmao..it was HIS scenes that dragged out the movie..

I thought we all agreed Will was developing. It's just slower than the other characters. He's a fairly decent person, he doesn't have too much more to develop, unlike Jack who has to do almost a complete turn-around if he even wants a chance with Liz. I think Will's come a little ways from the sniveling "whatever you say, Ms. Swann." He's more comfortable taking the lead.
In the first movie, he didn't really like listening to Jack, but he did for the most part and he saw later how assuming and not listening (hitting Jack with the oar) ended up costing everyone. By the end when Jack is once again baiting Barbossa with Will, Will is onto it and plays along knowing he and Jack can beat him. By the end, he had learned to be a proactive follower. Don't dis being a follower. Everyone has to sometimes and it's not as passive as one might think.
By the second movie, Jack's not cooperating with him that much and even screws him over (in Will's mind) by giving him to Davy Jones. Here Will is all on his own and has to show that he can be clever (because I probably would have screwed up getting the key and even finding the location of it). When he's reunited with everyone and Jack leaves, he temporarily takes control of the Pearl. True they need Jack there to make it all better, but Will is stepping out of his shell. He's also asserting himself relationship-wise.
Let's all face it: Liz is the man in their relationship. He worshipped her from afar for too long and he didn't get to see how strong and clever she could be. Now, we all love the kiss scene, but looking at it from Will's point of view, what would he have done in the first movie? He would have just assumed Liz was doing it to save them and probably not think much of it. It's Jack and Jack is a pirate and Liz is a lady and the two are not peas in a pod. But he treats her very coldly and pretty much ignores her until HE can decide what should be done about it. We see that as dangerous and overbearing, but I would do the same thing if I were in his position and saw my betrothed kissing the man who annoys me.

Actually. To me, everything suggests Elizabeth was the slowest to make any significant develop in movie 2

Then Will

Jack is ahead of them both..MILES ahead.

Will is developing yes..but it sure as hell isn't interesting development I can tell ya that..😂 (lets see what movie 3 has in store)

Ok, here goes...

Each play is in three acts. Let's say that COTBP was Act I and introduces all the characters. (T/T said this was a stand alone movie and ended with some unfinished plots, but thats life. Even while they were filming there was always a running joke on the set about "Oh, we'll put that in the sequel". Maybe Disney had indicated a sequel if it came out ok, but none of the principles or Jerry or Gore thought it would light up the skys the way it did. Also, Ms Jacobson who was a Disney Exec hated JD and constantly called his agent, Gore, Jerry and anyone else who would listen to her that JD was messing up their movie with his interpretation of CJS.)

Act II always leaves the hero in dire peril thus the end of DMC. Gore said you know all you need to know about all the characters at the end of DMC.

Act III pulls all the plot lines together and hero wins all. (let's all hope)

Does this make any sense?

About Ms. Jacobson, she finally apologized to JD as he stated in Entertainment Weekly after CPTBP was such a big hit. After DMC was such a hit in the US she lost her job, I think the first week of August, 2006. "Pity".

yes it does but T&T also say PotC 1 was a story in itself meanin..DMC is starting again as a story on its own..as in narrative structure

Equilibrium - disruption- new equilibrium (this happened in PotC 1 on its own)

movie 2 it can be argued..starts on disruption like the wedding being stopped ( many stories do this)...possibly the end of movie 1 was an equilibrium in terms of DMC being tied in with it?

and LOL that woman sounds like a little *****.

I agree & I agree...hehehe

Liz is developing right along with everyone else, but I wouldn't say she is growing yet, either. She's still trying to find the balance between having security and protection and being free to do what she wants. The first movie gave her her first adventure and she had to see what she was capable of. Turns out, she did pretty well for herself. She kept her head when she was kidnapped, it took guts to even take a stab at Barbossa, she fought alongside the crew, burned the rum to get her and Jack off the island, and then went back for Jack and Will when no one else would and had a small role in saving Jack from hanging. But it took the second movie to see what she would do with these realized skills.
Will teaches her to swordfight, and I have to say that was a good idea and shows he is concerned about her. A real overbearing guy would never teach a girl to defend herself, but Will wants her to be safe. She also goes piratey to get the letters from Beckett and we all know how she acts later after the Kracken.

So now she's at a crossroads. She can't have the best of both worlds, and that's what she was doing before, toying around with the pirate side while believing she was on the respectable side. Now she knows she will have to make a choice. So I think she will develop quite a bit.