Cannibal Island scene - Jack's luck?

Originally posted by shannstar79
I personally agree with your dog theroy 100%
and I never really thought that the cannibal island scene should not have been in the movie, I thought it was a very signifigant part of the movie, just for the reasons you have given, in COTBP Jack is extremly Luxky and gets out of everything, after canniblal Island, your right his luck seems to deminish, that is beacsue Elizabeth came back into his life and he began thinking of her more and more ( Compass not working for him, Jar of Dirt, Loosing his hat, saying while he tries to make the compass work I know what I want, I know what I want) he is truly vexed
Now when Will meets Tia, I think he is really curious about her, and wwhat she meant when she told him he had atouch of destiny about him, when Elizabeth begins to have persiatant feelins for jack and they both become Vexed with eachother, she is sort of leaving will, and his thoughts are not on her but on saving his father, there fore IMO Jacks pre Liz(Vexed) luck has moved to Will because Will in NOT vexed by Elizabeth, he is consumed with finding a way to save his father, just like Jack in COTBP he was consumed with what? getiing the Pearl back thats all nothing else

But how is he that much luckier in COTBP? We first see him on a sinking ship, he's thrown in jail thanks to a drunken blacksmith, he gets marooned a second time, and arrested and almost hanged. I'll admit he's clever and uses his wit to get out of most of those situations. Either that or someone helps him like Liz or Will, but I just don't think luck plays that big a part in a series that puts such a high value on thinking things through and being resourceful.

I agree completely Jack is thinking of Liz, and he does stop in his tracks when he hears she's in jail, but that doesn't mean anything since that doesn't guarantee he'll actually see her. They go to Tia's and of course she makes everything open-ended and up for interpretation, but why should she show any interest in Jack? They WERE lovers, and probably more casual lovers than the word implies. She's interested in Will, or at least wants to have sex with him and he flirts back in a dork kind of way. I just am not convinced she's playing as big a role as some people think. She's playing a role, but I don't think she's this presence that influences every move they make.

I like the expression on CJS's face after he has pole vaulted to the other side and he thinks "Huh, I made it". It is priceless.

Originally posted by willofthewisp
But how is he that much luckier in COTBP? We first see him on a sinking ship, he's thrown in jail thanks to a drunken blacksmith, he gets marooned a second time, and arrested and almost hanged. I'll admit he's clever and uses his wit to get out of most of those situations. Either that or someone helps him like Liz or Will, but I just don't think luck plays that big a part in a series that puts such a high value on thinking things through and being resourceful.

I agree completely Jack is thinking of Liz, and he does stop in his tracks when he hears she's in jail, but that doesn't mean anything since that doesn't guarantee he'll actually see her. They go to Tia's and of course she makes everything open-ended and up for interpretation, but why should she show any interest in Jack? They WERE lovers, and probably more casual lovers than the word implies. She's interested in Will, or at least wants to have sex with him and he flirts back in a dork kind of way. I just am not convinced she's playing as big a role as some people think. She's playing a role, but I don't think she's this presence that influences every move they make.

he manages to step onto land before the boat fully sinks

he gets marooned and miraculously escapes.

he gets marooned again, he does escape again..he's in the hands of Norri but he does escape in the long run

he almost gets hanged he balances on a sword...he could have slipped easily and died

he ends up in jail but he escapes..through lucky circumstances

when he escapes norri the first time..he misses all th shots aimed at him on the bridge and up in the air.

he dodges the rocks when he falls and this is so important to note because when Liz fell it was luck that she didn't hit the rocks but Norri decided not to jump because it was "a miracle she didn't hit them" Jack falls and doesn't hit them either???

It must play a part because in the commentary or in an interview Johnny or the writers(cant remember) say "He has the ability to miraculously run between the raindrops"
even way back then it was a theme with movie 1.

then all of a sudden in DMC it starts to fizzle away

Jack and Tia don't end up lovers in AWE but that doesn't mean she's not secretly in love with him still. I don't think he was ever in love with her at ALL I agree with you 😄

It's not all luck all the time with Jack..he is quick of wit..he is a master of planning ahead but in certain situations..luck seems to be following him..ones where he cant use his wit to escape.

It's just that if you compare Jack to other action heroes, he's as lucky or unlucky as the rest of them. Indiana Jones, jeez there's a guy who everyone thought would be dead by 25, yet he survives and rescues his hat every time, too. Even the guy from The Mummy has an incredible amount of luck. The writers of these movies, and I think you'll agree since you're in film studies, know their heroes have to dodge the bullets, get pulled away from the sword's edge or else there is no more story.

Do you really think Tia is in love with Jack? She doesn't seem to be. She seems to just be on friendly terms with him. Didn't you say that it might be Tia pushing him towards Liz? Not that I think that either, but that's not what a woman in love would do. Even though she's Calypso and Calypso lusted after Odysseus, a big focus here is that she's untameable. Even Jack wouldn't be enough of a challenge for her because he's mortal. Even if he were made immortal somehow, she would win him too easily, you know? I think her heart still beats for Davy, if anyone.

yes thats true..Indiana dodges death etc..but I don't ever remember him dying in a movie.

same goes for the guy in the mummy

and as for Calypso and Odysseus..she was in love with him but he could never return it..Calypso means "eclipse" she holds on too tight and Odysseus cant hold back...he's inferior

which really reminds me of Liz/Will
I think she is sort of pushing him towards Liz..because Will's destiny is to save his dad by stabbing the heart, Tia saw it and sent him on his way there..knowing what would happen, she also finds out Jack is falling for Elizabeth...and he bumps straight into her..after this. she also gives him the jar of dirt..she seems to be able to see the future..she knows its not gonna help him get away from Davy or keep the heart...it actually is probably a main reason why Jack returned to the pearl. The extra nudge.

super natural helper of the story

Originally posted by johnnyforever
um yeah, does anybody have a clip from the island scene? i would love to hear him say, pa liki liki again!

sorry I do not have one
have you checked youtube?

Originally posted by shannstar79
sorry I do not have one
have you checked youtube?

I would like to see the scene where Jack looks at his compass saying "i knw what I want I know what I want"

chiki I love that scene. Cuz Jack does know he wants Liz and IMO he's trying to tell the compass that he knows it so it doesnt need to show him that anymore...he's hoping it might point to the chest if he tells it that i bet 😂

Originally posted by LovelyOne
chiki I love that scene. Cuz Jack does know he wants Liz and IMO he's trying to tell the compass that he knows it so it doesnt need to show him that anymore...he's hoping it might point to the chest if he tells it that i bet 😂

Yea thats why I love that scene.He knows he wants Liz but hes so frustrated on himself for wanting her lol. I realy cant remember the rest of it, but the one thing I will never forget is his frustration over the compass. Priceless lol

I like that scene as well. You can really tell that something is wrong w/ Jack. He looks like if he's hiding something. And at that point you realized that thats not what he really wants. He is being in total denial, he's acting like Liz there. That was a really interesting part to watch.

I found the cannibal scene!! 😄
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYuHgEVGl2Q

i'll brb with some others!

And here's the 'Hide the rum' scene!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIBOESeZ-IY

the person that posted these was, pirate1414, so you could probably search that and find all of the other clips from DMC! 😄

OHH THANKS!!

Your Welcome!! i knew one day i'd be able to help!

Lol, I love that "I know what I want" scene because I kept thinking how cool it would be if he really wanted Liz, and then I saw it was true!

"yes thats true..Indiana dodges death etc..but I don't ever remember him dying in a movie.

same goes for the guy in the mummy"

Technically, Indiana Jones doesn't really die, but becomes sort of possessed by an evil spirit and the good, heroic part of him temporarily dies, and Rick (I think that's the name of the guy in the Mummy) doesn't die, but his wife does and she's a hero in her own right, so these things do happen. Who knows? Maybe Jack can be alive inside the Kracken!

Here's what I don't get in regards to what you said about Tia and Jack. Why can't her Odysseus be Will? I don't see anything that suggests she sees Jack as anything more than a never-do-well friend. She laughs at him for not knowing what he wants and then moves right on to telling Will all about Davy Jones. I would think a woman in love would at least show some disappointed or angry expression if the guy she was nuts for wanted someone else. Plus why do all the underhanded stuff like bringing Liz and Jack together? Didn't you suggest she did that too?

I thought, which wont make sense, that Will is like at first like Odysseus son Telemachus(spelling) Till just call him Tele. Tele's problem was that he couldnt mature enough to become a man. Didnt have enough fighting experience and was very innocent. Was considered a boy other than a man. Thats what I thought about Will. Hes still a boy and isnt fully grown yet into a whole man.

I think Will could be both Odysseous/Tele. He was naive and has not yet grown as a man should with a sense of maturity and power. I believe that Will should turn like Odysseus by the end of the movie. He has grown, matured, his character finally developed. Plus he was offered immortality from auntie Dalma.

Its a very very psycho theory. I was thinking about that for a while. I had to get that out of my chest.

It's not so psycho. Jack almost takes on a father role with Will in the first movie. He's slightly older, introduces him into a new world, teaches him a little.