After thinking about this, Kit Fisto definitely has this. In Caestus Deception, Obi-Wan views him as a better swordsman than himself, he takes out two magnaguards with two rotations of his saber in LoE, we've seen him in action (both still and moving media) and he's damn quick, agile and skilled. He's got much more going for him than Plo has.
Originally posted by King Adas
After thinking about this, Kit Fisto definitely has this. In Caestus Deception, Obi-Wan views him as a better swordsman than himself, he takes out two magnaguards with two rotations of his saber in LoE, we've seen him in action (both still and moving media) and he's damn quick, agile and skilled. He's got much more going for him than Plo has.
Speed doesn't mean everything, and in the Cartoon he did so good cause he was underwater. Plo is equal to or greater than Qui-Gon in his prime. TPM Qui-Gon is close to Mace. I highly doubt TPM Qui-Gon would lsoe to Kit, and then Plo's ahead of Kit, and apparently had to save Kit in a comic. Plo's most certainly ahead of Cestus Deception Kenobi. And Kit may have takes out the Magnaguards with a couple rotations of his lightsaber but Plo could just pwn them with his electric judgement in an instant.
Speed may not mean everything but it does mean A LOT.
Now, considering he could move like that under water, imagine how fast he’d be able to move without being restricted by the weight of the water surrounding him. He’s fast, very fast – in Cestus Deception, his movements were described as a “blur of motion”.
Unfortunately, I lack much knowledge on Plo Koon (aside from reading his entries in the databank and Wookieepedia), so could you please tell me where it states he was equal or higher than Qui-Gon? Thanks.
And what’s Plo saving Kit got to do with anything?
Speed may not mean everything but it does mean A LOT.
Now, considering he could move like that under water, imagine how fast he’d be able to move without being restricted by the weight of the water surrounding him.
He’s fast, very fast – in Cestus Deception, his movements were described as a “blur of motion”.
so could you please tell me where it states he was equal or higher than Qui-Gon?
And what’s Plo saving Kit got to do with anything?
So then anyone could beat OT Vader but no one could beat Yoda, right? Lol, no, speed means a some but not A LOT. Mace fought slowly in ROTS and still kicked ass.
Actually, speed DOES mean a lot. Vader had skill and strength to compensate for his lack of speed. If one is not fast enough to keep up with another’s attacks, then they are more likely to lose the duel. That much is fact.
And the only reason Mace fought slowly was because SLJ and Ian couldn’t fight for crap.
Yeah, like about hoe fast he moved in ROTS, right? Okay, pretty fast, then.
Yes, very fast. He was, as someone stated in another thread, actually moving the fastest of all three in the scene. Of course, we all know Sidious is faster, but in that particular scene, he appeared faster because he was played by a martial artist.
Mace's movements were desbribed as invisible in Shatterpoint. So it seems as if EU greatly exxaggerates the speed of Jedi/Sith.
Nevertheless, what’s stated about Kit’s speed in the novel remains fact unless contradicted by another source.
Read the otehr posts in this thread or visit the "Plo Koon runs the gauntlet" thread.
I have read the other posts in this thread and all I have found is that apparently Plo Koon is better because Maul admired him more so than the other Jedi. Hardly a factor to determine he was any better, in my opinion. Especially considering he had never fought him or the other Jedi before. Seriously, how was he to know who the best Jedi in the order were? He most likely thought Plo Koon was better because he's heard more about him than the other Jedi -- which does not, by any means, make Plo any better. Like someone said before, he obviously lacked much knowledge about the most powerful Jedi, considering he didn't even mention Yoda (and you'd think that someone who's been around such long time would have a lot of stories about his feats to go around).
Well, when one person saves eomeone else, especially in combat, it usually means the person who got saved isn't as strong as the savor. However, since swtimeline.ru is down right now I can't read that comic and see exactly what happened.
That’s absolute BULL$HIT. Just because Plo saved Kit does NOT mean he is ANY BETTER. It seems only one of us here even knows what actually happened, so could that person please enlighten us with the facts?
Originally posted by darthsith19
I already explained in the other thread that I doubt most Jedi knew Yoda was so strong and probably just thought him as really wise, and if other Jedi don't know Yoda's a great warrior I doubt Maul would.
If anything, Sidious had told him. Yoda was known as the greatest jedi ever, he had sparred with his students before and beaten the likes of Dooku and Mace Windu.
And why didn't he mention Dooku either? He was still in the order, didn't he leave after Qui-Gon's death? Why not Depa who was Mace student in Vapaad? Or maybe he just didn't know about everyone because they didn't have a reputation that stretched far out from the jedi order, like Plo and Mace had...
It was probably due to reputation and or martial approach. Plo had a very large one after the Stark Hyperspace War. If Maul had been mentioning the strongest Jedi around, he would have included Yoda (Sidous knew how good he was and would have told Maul to FEAR him), Mace, Cin, Dooku, Depa, Qui-gon, (the rest are just probablies) Sora Bulq, Luminara, Jorus, Nejaa Halcyon, and Echuu. There are a lot of people that Maul could have mentioned that are as good, if not significantly better than Maul in combat.
I think the most probable reason Maul didn't mention Yoda as a Jedi he wanted to fight in lightsaber combat is because he probably knew he wouldn't stand a chance.
Arguments for Plo Koon-
Plo Koon is a martial Jedi of the PT Order. By being martial, he is more comfortable in using violence/agressive negotiations to finish his business. He was a member of the Jedi Council, thus signifying that he is notable in his lightsaber and Force skills. Darth Maul regarded him as a great warrior to fight. Maul despises Jedi, the fact that he wishes to fight against Koon would say he would love to show his mastery over this powerful Kel Dor master. In addition, he has been known for using offensive Force attacks. He manipulates the environment to his bidding and does a powerful Force attack called Electric Judgement.
This is my argument for him, summarised.
How so in the force? Because of the electrical judgement? I doubt that would have more effect (if not lower than equal) to force lightning, which Kit should be able to parry. (If Obi at AOTC can do it with Dooku's lightning, Kit probably can). So that pretty much neutralizes that, if Plo hasn't got anything else to counter with. That leaves it to a saber battle....
Plo may be the only Jedi to use Electric Judgment, but I doubt other Jedi weren't capable of using it. Most Jedi strayed away from the force power because of how it closely resembled the Sith's force power.
And Kit also had a force power that had never been used before by any Jedi or Sith, EVER. He was able to focus the water particles in the air or ocean to create a "force water orb", which could be used as a projectile.
Anyway, we all know Lightsabers can block lightning, and I doubt Plo's lightning would be any stronger than Dooku's or Sidious's, so Kit shouldn't have much trouble defending himself from it. Especially considering the fact that in Cestus Deception, his sense of timing was described as "faster than common sense itself" - there's no reason to assume he won't be able to block it in time.
And as for the freeze river part -- there's no rivers in the Jedi Temple so I think he'll be safe from that.
And I very much doubt he'll have any time to conduct his "poison air" force power (or whatever it is), considering the majority of the duel is probably going to be fought in close combat.
Yup, Plo might have some of those force powers, but they would not be just swung out like nothing, they would be in combat all the time. If he would push him away (successfully), then start to reload, Kit wouldn't try to run up, he would smash him with the force back. I don't see how he wins sorley through the force...