Chin Check!!!!

Originally posted by inamilist
by 'look up' i mean

1) find the temp of the core of a sun
2) find out what would happen if suddenly something on EARTH was as hot as the SUN

bleh, im just being particular again

They've been able to produce temperatures WAY WAY hotter than the sun's core before on Earth. Although, it was in a contained area, and it was only for a split second. 😮

Anyway, Superman's heat vision is actually immeasurably hot. They can't even measure the upper limits of his heat vision because it's just too damn hot!!

Anyway, when has real-world physics ever played a part in comics? 😛

Originally posted by UniOmni

Prepowerup Surfer - Lives, pained.

Thor, no mjnollir - Lives, K.O

Thanos - Lives, moved.

Mangog - Lives, shrugs.

Firelord - Lives, K.O.

WonderMan - dies.

Ultron - Lives, moved

Hulk - This totally depends on the type of Hulk and his state of mind.

Just brace themselves and hope for the best.

Wait, so they're destroying a city, but when Superman comes for them, they just stand there and brace themselves? 🙁

It's not just that, Supes calculates the amount of heat and/or force needed to complete tasks. He obviously isn't running around spraying temperates hotter than stars on random villains. For most of the Post-COIE, he's been specifically playing down his abilities, something he's only recently begun shedding. He's finally understanding, being why his amazing feats are becoming more and more regular.

Originally posted by Dinalfos

Wait, so they're destroying a city, but when Superman comes for them, they just stand there and brace themselves? 🙁

I believe this is the machine referred to:
http://www.sandia.gov/news-center/news-releases/2006/physics-astron/hottest-z-output.html

Temperature was over 2 billion degrees Kelvin.

Here is the big pic:
http://www.sandia.gov/news-center/news-releases/2006/images/z-machine.jpg

The outer surface of the sun has a temperature of 6,000°C (11,000°F). The core of the sun is 15,000,000° C; or 27,000,000° F.

The man-made machine produced heat 133 times that of the core of the sun. The earth was not destroyed due to containment. A full force, extended burst from Superman would be different however and would most likely destroy a good portion of the planet, and all life would die that wasn't Superhuman.

For reference, the fireball area of the atomic bomb that dropped on Hiroshima was 7,000 F.

Now let's look at some of the Surfer's on-panel feats:
- flying through the center of a black hole, with no slowdown whatsoever, something which even Superman could not do (Superman was stuck within a black hole for a fair period of time before he managed to get out by flying faster than the speed of light to break the Schwartzchild radius).
- Surviving a Supernova with zero effect.

Amongst other things, showing that for all intensive purposes, Silver Surfer is nigh immune to heat and fire unless it is either backed by cosmic force (firelord) or mystic force (Mephisto). Superman's heat vision hasn't shown to be either, and although it is as hot as the core of the sun (meaning one full strength blast could annihilate planet earth), it still wouldn't be hot enough to even damage silver surfer.

As far as the rest:
Thor, no mjnollir:
Severely damaged, lying on the ground crippled, but alive.

Thanos:
Unharmed, one of his multiple force fields shrugs it off with ease.

Mangog:
Hurting, but alive.

Firelord:
Unharmed, same as Surfer.

WonderMan:
Dead, bones smoking in pile of ashes

Ultron:
Joints fused together thus immobile, but still alive inside.

Hulk:
Smoking and charred, critical condition, most likely would regenerate if he didn't die.

Originally posted by Kutulu
I believe this is the machine referred to:
http://www.sandia.gov/news-center/news-releases/2006/physics-astron/hottest-z-output.html

Temperature was over 2 billion degrees Kelvin.

Here is the big pic:
http://www.sandia.gov/news-center/news-releases/2006/images/z-machine.jpg

The outer surface of the sun has a temperature of 6,000°C (11,000°F). The core of the sun is 15,000,000° C; or 27,000,000° F.

The man-made machine produced heat 133 times that of the core of the sun. The earth was not destroyed.

Now let's look at some of the Surfer's on-panel feats:
- flying through the center of a black hole, with no slowdown whatsoever, something which even Superman could not do (Superman was stuck within a black hole for a fair period of time before he managed to get out by flying faster than the speed of light to break the Schwartzchild radius).
- Surviving a Supernova with zero effect.

Amongst other things, showing that for all intensive purposes, Silver Surfer is nigh immune to heat and fire unless it is either backed by cosmic force (firelord) or mystic force (Mephisto). Superman's heat vision hasn't shown to be either, and although it is as hot as the core of the sun (meaning one full strength blast could annihilate planet earth), it still wouldn't be hot enough to even damage silver surfer.

Originally posted by Juntai
You're not calculating that is produces physical force as well, typically related to the amount of heat he's pumping.. but has been portrayed as being able to be heat or concussive or both.

My understanding of it was that it was telekinetic in nature; meaning that it telekinetically excites the molecules in the path of the vision, which produces concussive force as a by-product.

Also as a point of reference, the largest bomb ever detonated produced about 1 % of the energy output of the sun, for only 39 nanoseconds:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Bomba

This was a 50 megaton bomb.

Now if Superman were able to sustain a full burst energy output of this range for longer than several seconds it would cause an exponential increase in the amount of damage to the surrounding area and the character themselves.

Meaning if Superman was able to sustain the output for a good half a minute, it would be the equivilant to the damage output of a 50 quadrillion ton atomic bomb. I don't know however just how much energy Superman has saved up though.

Originally posted by Kutulu
My understanding of it was that it was telekinetic in nature; meaning that it telekinetically excites the molecules in the path of the vision, which produces concussive force as a by-product.

Originally posted by Kutulu
Also as a point of reference, the largest bomb ever detonated produced about 1 % of the energy output of the sun, for only 39 nanoseconds:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Bomba

This was a 50 megaton bomb.

Now if Superman were able to sustain a full burst energy output of this range for longer than several seconds it would cause an exponential increase in the amount of damage to the surrounding area and the character themselves.

Meaning if Superman was able to sustain the output for a good half a minute, it would be the equivilant to the damage output of a 50 quadrillion ton atomic bomb. I don't know however just how much energy Superman has saved up though.

It isn't just going to be how much he has stored, he'll become a funnell of energy proportionate to his level of anger.

Originally posted by Juntai
Fair theory, but I don't recall it ever being specifically written in like that unless it was just one of the obscure ones from far back in early post-COIE continuity.... but there is theories that Supes is merely some super-telepath. Which is easily reinforced when we see things like the Torqasm Vo and Rao, and that he can see souls.

^^ I agree somewhat with this theory. As we have seen with other powerful telekinetic masters such as Magneto and the Phoenix, there is almost no upper limit to true masters of telekinetics. This would also explain why the amount of energy that Superman absorbs from the sun is exponentially increased in his output of said energy, meaning the internal battery storage causes the equivilant output in orders of magnitude higher.

Similar to how the base materials of an atomic bomb can be so small compared with it's output. This is further shown in Superman prime, who for all intensive purposes appeared to have far greater power than an entire star by himself, yet was much smaller than a star and didn't even absorb the full output of that star for the duration of his incubation inside of it (if he had fully absorbed the star's output it would be dark, however instead it had the opposite affect, it supercharged his descendants who were absorbing solar radiation from it).

Originally posted by Juntai
Surrounding area? Space?
They just blew up Earth, remember?

It isn't just going to be how much he has stored, he'll become a funnell of energy proportionate to his level of anger.

I had assumed due to it being the arena that there would be somewhere to stand on; the original thread only specified that DC earth was destroyed, not the area to which they would be on.

Originally posted by Juntai
I'm wondering if people are considering Supes normal use of heat vision, but full blast, or if they're at all considering how amped and determined Supes would be after they destroy his second home as the thread specifies.

Originally posted by Juntai
Not just a city, they destroyed Earth as a whole. Supes would be so pissed, I'd wonder if Spectre could survive the ass beating he would be ready to hand out.

Originally posted by Validus
Umm....lol?

God you scare me sometimes.

The most hurt will be Thor since hes the less durable here.

The rest are better (im counting WM good showings of durability, not the late less stelar ones due to the suposse powerloss).

Originally posted by Validus
God you scare me sometimes.

Originally posted by Juntai
I'm wondering if people are considering Supes normal use of heat vision, but full blast, or if they're at all considering how amped and determined Supes would be after they destroy his second home as the thread specifies.

Do you think it would kill the heroes on that list though??

I honestly don't see hv killing Thor or Surfer. Maybe atomizing hulk though.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Interesting Topic. With no PIS involved and an enraged Superman...

Prepowerup Surfer - Dead

Thor, no mjnollir - Dead

Thanos - Lives

Mangog - Don't know well enough to fairly judge.

Firelord - Dead

WonderMan - Dead

Ultron - Dead

Hulk - Dead

Superman's HV and Ice breath are probably the most underrated abilities that he has. No limit has been shown for each.

In the case of HV, we already know that a star core doesn't match.