Ha, no I agree, I don't think that he will go the route of Anakin in Star Wars. (Hopefully Will won't be nearly as whiny and obnoxious.)
But at the same time, you can't ignore that he has some very massive character flaws that he will need to face. He can't continue to rush to action without asking questions first without it getting him into some sort of trouble. He's obstinate and stubborn--it will take something drastic for him to step away from the dark side.
Yeah, we saw hints in Episode 2 Anakin could go bad with his temper, but he seemed to go from doing bad things on occasion and being upset about it to doing bad things a lot and being happy to do it. I just don't see that with Will. Will has a strong conscience and a very black and white sense of morality. He will only act remotely like a pirate when someone is in danger. And most of the time, he's not doing anything illegal. Most of his illegal stuff was only between breaking Jack out and stealing the ship with him.
Originally posted by willofthewisp
Yeah, we saw hints in Episode 2 Anakin could go bad with his temper, but he seemed to go from doing bad things on occasion and being upset about it to doing bad things a lot and being happy to do it. I just don't see that with Will. Will has a strong conscience and a very black and white sense of morality. He will only act remotely like a pirate when someone is in danger. And most of the time, he's not doing anything illegal. Most of his illegal stuff was only between breaking Jack out and stealing the ship with him.
Ah, but do you see how his black and white sense of morality can cause him some very interesting problems? It already does in the leaked script. (Have you read it by the way? I'd be interested to hear your take on it)
I thought that about Will initially too, but as I go back and look at both movies, I see that it isn't necessarily the case. From a certain perspective, he essentially uses Jack to get what he wants and is willing to sacrifice him to obtain his goals. He's willing to sacrifice the crew of the Pearl to Davy Jones in order to save the life of his father. (The good of one, versus the good of the many).
Also, I think it's interesting that Jack observes that Will is completely obsessed with treasure. Although not all treasure is silver and gold, it's interesting that he remarks about Will's interest in such a way. Will chases after Elizabeth in a manner that suggests that she belongs to him. Do you see how that can also be dangerous?
i woullike to see will get darker, i just dont see it happening in a way somehow. It wont necessarily ruin his character, but in a way it just might. And I like Will the way it is. Though it wont hurt him too much to get darker. Just not too much. Im not saying that Will is going to be soooo evil. But its just not in him. He'll do anything for his dad, and Elizabeth. So he'll probably get darker, like her did in the second one, but now he has his dad. So.. really....we'll have to wait and see.
His character is dead as it is.they need to make him more interesting..being good all the time makes for boring cinema time. Need to see Will behave bad to the bone if they want to keep his character interesting. when I say bad..I mean he'll probably dabble and then redeem himself.
I think his ending (stab heart) will be him accepting his consquences for his earlier actions..and it wont be such a tragedy if ya know what I mean... I think he brings it on himself.
yes, if we are to believed the leaked script..then Will does turn darker..he betrays Jack...but his betrayal of Jack will be as it is, what you see is what you get...we all know that when it seems as if Jack is betraying someone...it is actually a plan to save that person....I think Will will however redeem himself by stabbing the heart.
I would like to see Will develop on his own, by his own terms and not because of Elizabeth...it seems as if all of Will's actions - until he meets his Dad - revolves around Elizabeth, and that's sad to me. You have to have more of a purpose than living only to be with someone else...ya know...it's like that's why people say that without Liz, Will cannot exist...I think if we see Will develop in AWE, then we will see that he can stand alone, without Elizabeth....and maybe he won't seem so sappy anymore...so for those that say they see no other ending than for it to be Will/Liz....i just don't see that, and I still think it can happen without Will having to die...although, it seems likely that he will...based on the spoilers...
that brings up an interesting point, Willofthewisp... does Will see it primarily as Jack's fault that Elizabeth kissed him?
I mean, does Will think Jack seduced Elizabeth... or does he think Elizabeth had an equal hand?
Cause that would show a huge lack of faith in Elizabeth's love for him, if he assumed it could be overthrown by a few days at sea... ya know what i mean? sheesh, no wonder this couple has some issues.
I've thought about that a lot, and you have to look at it from Will's point of view. True, he knows Liz has a lot of fight in her, a lot of courage, and he bothered to teach her swordfighting for self defense, but he hasn't gotten to see how she gets around Jack or heard just how eager she is to have sex. Likewise, Will knows Jack more or less as the public knows him, as a pretty worldly guy who's had more than his share of women. Combine that knowledge with the fact that he and Jack have never really been friends, it's easy to assume Jack was the one that initiated that kiss and seduced Liz into it.
Remember too that only Jack and Liz know she chained him there. She told the others he stayed behind by choice (which I think he would have anyway). So Will is probably thinking Jack held her behind and demanded a goodbye kiss out of her. That would make Liz weak but not an adulteress, so Will is more likely angrier at Jack than at Liz.
yes, that's what I think too..I think Will is mad that she kissed Jack - even if it was a goodbye Kiss....but he is angrier with Jack because he thinks Jack seduced her into that kiss...
and then when he sees how emotional Liz is in Tia's hut...he thinks that she may have some deep emotions for Jack (which, she does)....I think if Will saw how Elizabeth carried on with Jack on the Pearl...he would be really angry with her...I mean what girl on the threshold of marrying the man she LOVES and is willing to kill another man for....would flirt so outragiously with another man...especially someone who is suppose to be their friend...and not just flirt, but sexual innuendos.....gosh, if he could have only spied in on her at the end of the Curiosity scene...when she did everything in her power to get Jack to kiss her and then how disappointed she was when it didn't happen.....that girl has a lot of maturing to do...if she is wanting to get married.....
OR^^ maybe he knows that he didnt seduce her but is not willing to believe that. I dont think he believes what his woman does when he's not around. In movie 1..he had a hnt that she had done something with Jack on the island but he seems to have chosen not to ask questions or believe it.
she was very much the one pushing Jack backwards and taking control..Will saw it.
Plus I agree with you 🙂
"OR^^ maybe he knows that he didnt seduce her but is not willing to believe that. I dont think he believes what his woman does when he's not around. In movie 1..he had a hnt that she had done something with Jack on the island but he seems to have chosen not to ask questions or believe it."-----Lovely
I believe you, but what part are you talking about? I don't remember him worrying about Liz while she was on the island. At that point, Liz is virtuous and everyone knows it and I don't think even Will thinks Jack is a rapist. I just am confused on how you mean Will wondered about them.
But he's beginning to snap out of his denial and is sort of realizing it was more than a goodbye kiss. His double take said that. Then when she pops down into the boat and he asks "where's Jack" so dryly and he catches her because she looks guilty of something. If it were a goodbye kiss, she wouldn't have believed she did anything wrong and Will knows it. I think that was proof enough for him, but he still thinks Liz was seduced, when it was closer to the other way around. It's Jack that's wrapped around Liz's little finger.