"Moral Fiber"

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"Moral Fiber"

So, I am writing an essay for English about how our state of morality has deteriorated (or not) compared to past generations and I was wondering what was the opinion of fellow KMCers.

Do you think that young people today are less moral than they were in earlier times?

How are they more/ less moral? (specific example)

Who, in your opinion, is to be blamed for this change in morals?

Do you think that values and morals can be determined by each individual for themselves or does a certain moral law have to be taught to everyone?

btw, if any of you are familiar with Charles Sykes's essay "The 'Values' Wasteland" this question relates directly to it.

I just watched "The Girl Next Door"...

So what is moral fiber? I mean, it's funny. I used to think it was always telling the truth, doing good deeds... You know, basically being a ****ing Boy Scout. But lately I've been seeing it differently. Now I think that moral fiber is about finding that one thing you really care about. That one special thing that means more to you than anything else in the world. And when you find her, you fight for her. You risk it all. You put her in front of everything... Your future, your life... All of it. And maybe the stuff you do to help her isn't so clean. You know what? It doesn't matter. Because in your heart, you know... That the juice is worth the squeeze. That's what moral fiber's all about.

hmm...I interviewed my friend today and she says that this generation hasn't deteriorated, we are just more open about what we do and this openess is percieved by many as immoral

but my when i interviewed a youth pastor, he said that we have definately deteriorated because this generation is much more self-centered...

Originally posted by §P0oONY

never saw that movie...but it seems like its saying that there shouldn't be a "moral law" but instead the individual finding out what is right for himself...

Sykes says that this method is being taught in many schools today, its called "morals clarification" This is where the student is asked ethical questions and answer it according to what they they think...

For example, one question that is of interest was this...

"In one popular exercise, students have to imagine that their class has been trapped in a cave-in. Students are asked to imagine that they have to form a single line to work their way out of the cave. At any moment, another rock slide may close the way out. Those at the head of the line are therefore the most likely to survive. In the class exercise, each member of the class must five the reason he/she should be at the head of the line. The teacher tells them: 'Your reasons can be of two kinds. You can tell us what you want to live for or what you have yet to get out of life that is important to you. Or you can talk about what you have to contribute to others in the world that would justify your being near the frount of the line.'"

Another shorter example...

"Imagine you are in a lifeboat w/ another person and their family dog; the students can only save one, so they must choose either the human being, who is a complete stranger, or the beloved and cherished family dog."

(Charles Sykes)

So in answering these questions, the students are supposed to find out what is ethical by themselves...opinions?

Originally posted by §P0oONY
I just watched "The Girl Next Door"...

So what is moral fiber? I mean, it's funny. I used to think it was always telling the truth, doing good deeds... You know, basically being a ****ing Boy Scout. But lately I've been seeing it differently. Now I think that moral fiber is about finding that one thing you really care about. That one special thing that means more to you than anything else in the world. And when you find her, you fight for her. You risk it all. You put her in front of everything... Your future, your life... All of it. And maybe the stuff you do to help her isn't so clean. You know what? It doesn't matter. Because in your heart, you know... That the juice is worth the squeeze. That's what moral fiber's all about.

You ****ing *******. You stole my idea right from my brain and posted it first.

Originally posted by Mr. Sandman
You ****ing *******. You stole my idea right from my brain and posted it first.

I literally watched the film 2 hours ago... How could I possibly not post it... hmm

Re: "Moral Fiber"

Originally posted by Lyna303
Do you think that young people today are less moral than they were in earlier times?

No. I think people today are more moral.

Originally posted by Lyna303
How are they more/ less moral? (specific example)

People today give equal rights to women, othe races, we are more sensitive to personal issues. People have always raped, cheated, pillaged, and tourtured, but now, people just know about more of this stuff. People are more open with themselves and a larger media coverage makes it seem like all this bad stuff has been going on, but it ALWAYS has been going on. If nothing else, we at least are attempting to adress the porblems and openly discussing solutions. Realizing there is a problem is the first step to solving it.

Originally posted by Lyna303
Who, in your opinion, is to be blamed for this change in morals?
Morals have gotten better because of philosophers. People like Descartes who realize that morality is a relative issue. People like Thomas Jefferson who write that "all men are created equal, and are endowed by their creator with life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" The Womans Sufferage Movements, the Civil Rights Movement have helped move society forward.

Originally posted by Lyna303
Do you think that values and morals can be determined by each individual for themselves or does a certain moral law have to be taught to everyone?

Morals are relative. Everyone is different and is entitled to thier opinon, so long as it does not infringe upon the opinon of others.

Originally posted by Lyna303
btw, if any of you are familiar with Charles Sykes's essay "The 'Values' Wasteland" this question relates directly to it.
Sorry, haven't read it.

This is interesting...

Statistics
Here are some recent findings:

Almost 80% of college students admit to cheating at least once-- The Center for Academic Integrity studies.
36% of undergraduates have admitted to plagiarizing written material-- Psychological Record survey.

90% of students believe that cheaters are either never caught or have never been appropriately disciplined-- US News and World Report poll.

58.3% of high school students let someone else copy their work in 1969, and 97.5% did so in 1989-- The State of Americans: This Generation and the Next.

257 chief student affairs officers across the country believe that colleges and universities have not addressed the cheating problem adequately-- from a study by Ronald M. Aaron and Robert T. Georgia: Administrator Perceptions of Student Academic Dishonesty in Collegiate Institutions.

According to the Gallup Organization, the top two problems facing the country today are: 1) Education and 2) Decline in Ethics (both were ranked over crime, poverty, drugs, taxes, guns, environment, and racism, to name a few)-- Gallup Organization, October 6-9, 2000.

30% of a large sampling of Berkeley students were recently caught plagiarizing directly from the internet-- results of a Turnitin.com test, conducted from April-May 2000.

And although many instructors are aware of the problem, most feel powerless to stop it.

55% of faculty "would not be willing to devote any real effort to documenting suspected incidents of student cheating"-- from a study by Donald L. McCabe: Faculty Responses to Academic Dishonesty: The Influence of Honor Codes.
"With respect to cheating, I'm just in denial. I just don't want to deal with it because I know it is a huge problem."-- San Luis Obispo professor, as reported in Net Learning.

"Who wants to sit around looking for websites trying to find out if a paper is plagiarized or not... pretty soon you're a private investigator."-- a Stanford University professor, from an article in TechWeb News.

"[Plagiarism] is one of those areas in the academy that no one wants to talk about and is often rewarded for not addressing actively."-- an Associate VP of Student Life, as posted in The Chronicle of Higher Education's "Colloquy."

"Too few universities are willing to back up their professors when they catch students cheating, according to academic observers. The schools are simply not willing to expend the effort required to get to the bottom of cheating cases"-- as stated by The National Center for Policy Analysis.

Originally posted by Alliance
No. I think people today are more moral.

People today give equal rights to women, othe races, we are more sensitive to personal issues. People have always raped, cheated, pillaged, and tourtured, but now, people just know about more of this stuff. People are more open with themselves and a larger media coverage makes it seem like all this bad stuff has been going on, but it ALWAYS has been going on. If nothing else, we at least are attempting to adress the porblems and openly discussing solutions. Realizing there is a problem is the first step to solving it.

Morals have gotten better because of philosophers. People like Descartes who realize that morality is a relative issue. People like Thomas Jefferson who write that "all men are created equal, and are endowed by their creator with life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" The Womans Sufferage Movements, the Civil Rights Movement have helped move society forward.

Morals are relative. Everyone is different and is entitled to thier opinon, so long as it does not infringe upon the opinon of others.

Sorry, haven't read it.


so, like my friend you are saying that people are more aware of the problems that have always existed...right?

Yes. Homosexuality has been made public again (but is still not a problem). Murders and rapes are reported and prosecuted. Wars are televized, etc.

i see where you are going with this...in Ancient Rome homosexuality was acually incouraged at a point in a man's life...this fact has existed then and it does now...well done...

yup.

I've got your fiber right here.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3179263.stm

Bam. There's your answer right there.

The world is not less morale now, nor is it more morale. It just has different morales. Morales evolve people evolve.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
I've got your fiber right here.

🤨 huh?
Originally posted by Kinneary
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3179263.stm

Bam. There's your answer right there.


thank you this will be useful for my essay...

Re: "Moral Fiber"

Originally posted by Lyna303
So, I am writing an essay for English about how our state of morality has deteriorated (or not) compared to past generations and I was wondering what was the opinion of fellow KMCers.

Our state of morality has NOT "deteriorated". We just don't keep as much crap a secret as we used to. There's nothing wrong with people knowing everyone else has isues, be it divorce, abuse, gay relatives, running out of sugar....whatever! We just don't keep that shit to ourselves anymore. It isn't a matter of it not happeneing "in the good ole days"...it's a matter of bringing it to light.

Originally posted by Fishy
The world is not less morale now, nor is it more morale. It just has different morales. Morales evolve people evolve.

Originally posted by Kinneary
Bam. There's your answer right there.

wow...i have almost finished my essay and i have just realized that it is a piece of crap...

i am rambling on about nothing and when i do say something i am being repetitive...

its due tomorrow...oh well...

I'd say your first mistake was gauging the opinion of KMC.