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Originally posted by Ricodrayz
Say what you think. Can Wolverine beat these people without an Healing Factor?

Dare Devil
Cap America
Sabertooth
Punisher
Rhino
Shocker
Black Panther
Batman

Can Wolverine beat these people without just claws
Dare devil
Cap America
Sabertooth
Rhino
Shocker
Black Panther

Can Spiderman Beat these people without Spider sense?
Dare Devil
Black Panther
Shocker
Sabertooth
Green Goblin

Can Batman beat anyone on his level or above without his Belt

😖hifty:

Last one is, Can captain America beat these people without his shield
Black panther
Green Gob(off glider)
dare devil

You guys could answer the ones you feel like answering or you could make your own list. Have fun.

1)
He beat DD any time with or with out healing factor
He beat CA with healing factore but looses with out it
He beats SaberT with healing factore and looses with out it
He beats the Punisher with or with out it
Rhino is a joke, next
Shocker dont know him dont care
He beats Black Panther either way
He Looses to Batman with or with out healing factor

2)
DD sucks ass, and gets stabbed to death
CA blocks every claw thrown punch with his shield
This one is a Maybe, I really dont know
Rhino is pathetic
Shocker is unknown to me
The Black Panther fight is relatively close but Wolvy takes it

3)
Yes
Yes
IDK
Yes
Yes

4)
Hell yeah, Batman is the greatest hand to hand fighter known, his gadgets are just an added bonus. Batman has no equal in terms of hand to hand fighting.

5)
Yes he's a much better fighter than Panther
Close but this is where CA fighting skills come in and he wins
Yes CA murders this kid

Originally posted by JediMasterLuke5
1)
He beat DD any time with or with out healing factor
He beat CA with healing factore but looses with out it
He beats SaberT with healing factore and looses with out it
He beats the Punisher with or with out it
Rhino is a joke, next
Shocker dont know him dont care
He beats Black Panther either way
He Looses to Batman with or with out healing factor

2)
DD sucks ass, and gets stabbed to death
CA blocks every claw thrown punch with his shield
This one is a Maybe, I really dont know
Rhino is pathetic
Shocker is unknown to me
The Black Panther fight is relatively close but Wolvy takes it

3)
Yes
Yes
IDK
Yes
Yes

4)
Hell yeah, Batman is the greatest hand to hand fighter known, his gadgets are just an added bonus. Batman has no equal in terms of hand to hand fighting.

5)
Yes he's a much better fighter than Panther
Close but this is where CA fighting skills come in and he wins
Yes CA murders this kid

Wow....

Some parts of that are just so wrong that it's not even funny. For example, how does Daredevil get STABBED to death when Wolverine DOESN'T have his claws in the second fight?

Originally posted by Soljer
Wow....

Some parts of that are just so wrong that it's not even funny. For example, how does Daredevil get STABBED to death when Wolverine DOESN'T have his claws in the second fight?

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Okay, now I'll do it out ten then.

Hah. Without a healing factor, Wolverine doesn't make it past Daredevil. I have no hatred for Wolverine, it's just the truth. Daredevil wins 7-8/10.

Cap beats him. 8/10.

Sabretooth destroys him. 10/10.

Punisher (I assume he's got guns and such) beats him. Without guns, Logan wins. With guns, Punisher 10/10. Without, Punisher 3/10.

Rhino wins. 9/10.

Shocker wins. 6-7/10.

Black Panther definitely wins. 8-9/10.

Batman wins. 7-8/10.

Without his claws? Hm...he MIGHT get past Daredevil I'll give this one a 5/10.

Captain America puts him down. 7/10.

Sabretooth destroys him. 10/10.

Rhino beats him. 9/10.

Shocker loses. 2/10.

Black Panther beats him. 7-8/10.

"Can Spider-Man Beat these people without Spider-sense?
Daredevil
Black Panther
Shocker
Sabretooth
Green Goblin"

He's still got everything else?

Daredevil loses. 3/10.

Black Panther loses. 4/10.

Shocker loses. 0/10.

Sabretooth gives him a run, but loses. 4/10.

Green Goblin gives him a run, but loses. 4/10.

"Can Batman beat anyone on his level or above without his Belt?"
Some. But not many.

"Last one is, can Captain America beat these people without his shield
Black panther
Green Gob(off glider)
Daredevil"

No.
Black Panther wins. 8/10.
Green Goblin wins. 8/10.
Daredevil wins. 7/10.

Originally posted by Soljer
Wow....

Some parts of that are just so wrong that it's not even funny. For example, how does Daredevil get STABBED to death when Wolverine DOESN'T have his claws in the second fight?

...BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

That is God dammned priceless!

Say what you think. Can Wolverine beat these people without an Healing Factor?

Dare Devil Yes Wolvie still has speed, strength.. and martial skill
Cap America No Cap has almost downed wolverine before.. and wolverine came back into it only because of his HF.
Sabertooth No With his HF these two are virtually equals, with Wolverine holding the slight edge... but without HF, Wolverine gets handed a huge deficit and gets his balls cut off..
PunisherDepends Punisher is a decent shot, and a good fighter, if theres a good distance between the two, Punisher would put down Wolverine with his guns alone. If its a close fight, Wolverine can close the distance and take down Frank. Its a matter of weapons and distance for Frank to win. 50/50.
Rhino Yes The Rhino jobber aura refuses to allow Rhino to win a fight. Wolverine doesn't even fight, Rhino forfeits by default just by showing up.
Shocker Yes Wolverine is fast enough to dodge the majority of his blasts from long and midrange, and even dodge a few at close range. His durability would allow him to take a hit or two... and cut the cord on Shocker..
Black Panther No BP is good enough to take Wolverine even with his HF, wolvie goes down without it.
Batman No Not that wolverien wouldn't do well... but its batman for gods sake. Bruce's martial skill would allow him to stay away from Logan's claws.. and his belt allows him the ability to put wolverine down, if his skills aren't enough... which they aren't.

Can Wolverine beat these people without just claws
Dare devil- YesWe all know Wolverine has an adamantium fist. But pretty soon everyone's gonna find out Daredevil's got a glass jaw.
Cap America No If wolverine doesn't have a sword, he's gonna lose hand to hand. Cap's shown he can lay the hurt on Logan before. And its been shown Logan can be hurt enough he passes out. Logan with adamantium fists... vs... Cap taking hits from guys like rhino, namor, wrecking crew... thor... yah... no comparison. without the claws.. and with his hf, wolvie still loses.
Sabertooth-NoNo No... dear god no...Wolverine better have a sword or something... He loses worse here then if he didn't have his HF.
Rhino - Yes Again Rhino jobber aura.. refuses to allow Rhino to win. But in honesty, Wolverine dodges Rhino day in and out. IF Rhino connects, Wolveirne heals. Wolverine can't hurt Rhino as he doesn't have the claws that cut through "anything"... so worst its a stalemate.
Shocker Yes Wolverine just charges through the blasts and pummels Shocker with the best metal knuckles Weapon X can buy.
Black Panther No Personally I don't think wolverine could do it with both his HF and claws... without his claws.. he goes down...

Can Spiderman Beat these people without Spider sense?
Dare Devil Yes Even without his spidersense... spiderman's speed, agility, strength are much greater than anything DD can handle... and unless they are fighting in the dark, DD won't be able to compensate.
Black Panther Maybe Vibranium Microweave suit, daggers, Near Peak physique. great fighting ability. In the jungle without the ability to swing freely away from BP's closerange threat... Spidey can win. In a closerange battle, or a place where spidey can't get away... BP lays the law down.
Shocker-Yes Spidey tosses Shocker into a pool and walks away.
SabertoothMaybe Close range fight bodes badly for spiderman, and even a long range fight would only mean a stalemate.
Green Goblin Yes The new suit, strength, speed upgrades... stingers... would make up for the lack of a spidersense.

Can Batman beat anyone on his level or above without his Belt
Depends on the person. and what they are packing. Ie. Batman would lose against cap with his shield.

Last one is, Can captain America beat these people without his shield
Black panther No Sadly Cap would be fighting with a handicap..
Green Gob(off glider) Yes Cap would rape GG off glider.. and still pull a majority on his Glider.
dare devil Yes Because DD would need to get close to connect eventually, Cap would read his moves, and eventually do what was needed to win, even taking the billy clubs away from DD.

Originally posted by Jyppe
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You let me know what problems you have with my list and I'll be happy to let you know why you are wrong.

Originally posted by rotiart
Cap has almost downed wolverine before.. and wolverine came back into it only because of his HF.

Black Panther [B]No BP is good enough to take Wolverine even with his HF, wolvie goes down without it.
[/B]

Cap didn't almost down Wolverine, they fought briefly Wolverine put a DoT on Cap and stopped fighting. Not to mention that Wolverine's healing factor is in a massive slump during the time Origins takes place (read Way's Origins and Ends arc on Wolverine's self title).

How does BP beat Wolverine with his healing factor? Vibranium battle armor can't stand up to Adamantium. Anti-metal claws aren't part of his standard equipment. Wolverine is stronger, faster and a better fighter. With out prep how does Black Panther beat Wolverine with his healing factor?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
How does BP beat Wolverine with his healing factor? Vibranium battle armor can't stand up to Adamantium. Anti-metal claws aren't part of his standard equipment. Wolverine is stronger, faster and a better fighter. With out prep how does Black Panther beat Wolverine with his healing factor?

I disagree. Panther's Vibranium armor can only be cut if it's cut along the seams/grain. If Wolverine tries to stab, it should be stopped by the momentum-sapping power fo the armor.

Faster? No. Panther is faster, in my opinion?

Stronger? Maybe. That's debatable. I've seen Panther pull some crazy strength feats.

Superior agility goes to Panther as well.

Better fighter? Also highly debatable.

Originally posted by Ricodrayz
Say what you think. Can Wolverine beat these people without an Healing Factor?

Dare Devil......... yes,6/10
Cap America ............ no
Sabertooth ........... no
Punisher ............. no (punisher would put a couple thousand bullits into him)
Rhino ............. hell no
Shocker .............. yes..maby
Black Panther ............. no
Batman ....... maby

Can Wolverine beat these people without just claws
Dare devil........ yes (if he still has his healing factor)
Cap America .......... no
Sabertooth ........... no
Rhino .......... hell no (no pis)
Shocker ........... yes
Black Panther ............ no..well maby

Can Spiderman Beat these people without Spider sense?
Dare Devil ........... yes
Black Panther ......... maby
Shocker ......... yes
Sabertooth ............ no
Green Goblin ............. no

Can Batman beat anyone on his level or above without his Belt ...... yes

😖hifty:

Last one is, Can captain America beat these people without his shield
Black panther ........ no
Green Gob(off glider) ........ no (GG has super strength and speed)
dare devil ....... yes

You guys could answer the ones you feel like answering or you could make your own list. Have fun.

without healing factor wolvy clears DD, Cap, Sabes,

STOPS at Punisher.
Punisher has studied anatomy & employs semtex, to blow cars sky high, super flexing big bore pump action hand canons, gas, matches and serrated blades in combat.

without claws

clears DD, Cap, stops at CREED.

W/O spidey sense Spidey gets squished like a bug. [these guys are sneaky except shocker.]

Batman, "yawn"

Captin, "cough" falls to DD, Greenie, Panther.

Originally posted by rotiart
Can Batman beat anyone on his level or above without his Belt
[B]Depends on the person. and what they are packing. Ie. Batman would lose against cap with his shield.
[/B]

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Originally posted by Metalmanx
I disagree. Panther's Vibranium armor can only be cut if it's cut along the seams/grain. If Wolverine tries to stab, it should be stopped by the momentum-sapping power fo the armor.

Not true, Adamantium has been shown to cleave right through Vibranium. While BP will stand up to a standard knife it wont turn Adamantium and it isn't a matter of oppinion.

Aside from being more agile everything else you said is a matter of opinion... and your opinion happens to be wrong.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Not true, Adamantium has been shown to cleave right through Vibranium. While BP will stand up to a standard knife it wont turn Adamantium and it isn't a matter of oppinion.

Aside from being more agile everything else you said is a matter of opinion... and your opinion happens to be wrong.

What difference does an adamantium blade make? It truly all depends on the wielder of said blade. I could wield an adamantium blade and not be able to pierce Panther's armor. The alloy of metal has nothing to do with it.

Are you trying to say that if Superman wielded a standard knife, he couldn't cut through the vibranium armor?

Edit: Double Post 😛

Hell yeah, Batman is the greatest hand to hand fighter known, his gadgets are just an added bonus. Batman has no equal in terms of hand to hand fighting.

There are tons of people that could whoop Batman's ass H2H - KK, Gamora, even Cass.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
What difference does an adamantium blade make? It truly all depends on the wielder of said blade. I could wield an adamantium blade and not be able to pierce Panther's armor. The alloy of metal has nothing to do with it.

Are you trying to say that if Superman wielded a standard knife, he couldn't cut through the vibranium armor?

Heck no, Superman could pierce vibranium armor with a whiffle bat but any Jonny McAverage could do the same with an adamantium knife. USAgent's shield of pure vibranium was cleaved through by an adamantium knife like nothing... Vibranium micro-weave is nothing in comparison.

And you are seriously over rating Vibranium armor. Killmonger torn Black Panther's suit to shreds in hand to hand combat.

Originally posted by boriquaking55
There are tons of people that could whoop Batman's ass H2H - KK, Gamora, even Cass.

And Connor Hawke, Bronze Tiger, Dragon, and Shiva too 😉

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Heck no, Superman could pierce vibranium armor with a whiffle bat but any Jonny McAverage could do the same with an adamantium knife. USAgent's shield of pure vibranium was cleaved through by an adamantium knife like nothing... Vibranium micro-weave is nothing in comparison.

And you are seriously over rating Vibranium armor. Killmonger torn Black Panther's suit to shreds in hand to hand combat.

No no. Srank, you're not getting my point.

I know that in terms of durability/strength, adamantium >>>> everything else. I'm not arguing that.

Try to understand this.

Using your logic, a child wielding an adamantium knife can pierce vibranium. The alloy of the metal has nothing to do with it's power or cutting abilitiy. As you've said, Superman could pierce vibranium with a whiffle bat, something that is hundreds and thousands of leagues lower than adamantium. With not enough power, adamantium would be completely useless. With enough power, a REGULAR, STANDARD KNIFE could slice vibranium to shreds.

Explain how Kilmonger tore Panther's suit please? Or post scans?

Originally posted by Metalmanx
No no. Srank, you're not getting my point.

I know that in terms of durability/strength, adamantium >>>> everything else. I'm not arguing that.

Try to understand this.

Using your logic, a child wielding an adamantium knife can pierce vibranium. The alloy of the metal has nothing to do with it's power or cutting abilitiy. As you've said, Superman could pierce vibranium with a whiffle bat, something that is hundreds and thousands of leagues lower than adamantium. With not enough power, adamantium would be completely useless. With enough power, a REGULAR, STANDARD KNIFE could slice vibranium to shreds.

But that clearly isn't how it works in the marvel universe. Adamantium blades of an uncanny razor edge that never dulls and can cut anything, that's just how it is. arguing other wise would be the equivalent of me arguing that Colossus is blind as a bad because his eyes are opaque... but that clearly isn't the case.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Explain how Kilmonger tore Panther's suit please? Or post scans?

Not much to explain. They fought each other. The fight last about three hours. The took a break every hour. Killmonger tore Panther's suit to shreds just by wailing on him and "killed" BP before Moonkight and crew arrived to stop the fight.