Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
the statement is meant to be read "wolvorine has 3, one foot long claws on each hand." However many sources do not write it this way. As a result some one said that wolvorine had claws that were three feet longeither way Sabertooth takes the majority
Ohhh. That explains that. Ingnore my other post.
As for this fight, Wolverine was almost never bested by Sabes before but that may have been PIS. I give it to sabes 6/10
Who remembers how they introduced Sabretooth to Wolverine? Sabretooth was the guy who would, on Wolverine's birthday, stalk Wolverine and then brutalize him, all without Wolverine knowing or being able to stop him. Yeah, Sabretooth has too much going for him. He really should beat Wolverine more often then not in a close fight.
Originally posted by The Fake MacoyHe'd leave his mark on Wolverine every year by attacking him, not beating him. He doesn't even attack Wolverine every year. One year in Madripoor he killed a bunch of people that were trying to kill Patch. He actually helped him out instead of going after him.
Sabretooth was the guy who would, on Wolverine's birthday, stalk Wolverine and then brutalize him, all without Wolverine knowing or being able to stop him.
That statment most likely refers to an ambush attack by Sabretooth, which is exactly what Sabretooth did the only time we saw him attack Wolverine on his birthday. In a Classic X-Men back-up story Sabretooth sneak attacks Logan from behind, throws him into the water, and then runs away. No fight there.
Originally posted by riceroost
Wolverine has beaten Creed like 28 times now. I find it a liiiiiittle hard to accept that all those wins are PIS.
wow.. thats a lot of wins... how many times has Fantastic four taken Galactus? How many times has Flash been punched? How many times has Batman been tricked (😛)?
Originally posted by riceroost
Draw.Creed has the advantage physically, but it's never really meant a whole lot in the grand scheme of things. He's not so much stronger or faster that he's ever truly overwealmed Wolverine physically, except when he had the adamantium and Logan didn't, and even then Wolverine has an impressive victory over an adamantium coated Creed during the whole "Death" episode.
wolverine got a win over a cocky creed who thought he already won the fight.
creed's overwhelmed wolverine in wolverine v3. 19, wolverine v2. 166, and again in an xmen classics book (i think)... he's also beat wolverine down on damn near ever b-day by wolverine's own admission.
Originally posted by riceroost
I'm also not convinced Creed has a stronger healing factor anymore. He did in like Wolverine # 126, but that was a VERY long time ago and since then Wolverine's HF has been shown to be on a whole other level. Wolverine's HF has pulled off some crazy feats that we've never seen Creed manage.
wolverine has a lot more on panal going for him than creed.. credd still has impressive feats...
I don't think wovlerine would emerge unscathed from an all out assault by magma, creed did.
creed also remained concious after getting melted to near bone by sunfire which is pretty impressive..
and recovered from being cut into chunks ( or pieces as wolverine described) their HF seems very much to be at the same level..
Originally posted by riceroostcreed used to give wolvie ass kicking before he had the adamantium and his upgrades, you think he wouldn't fair better now?
Wolverine also has the added bonus of his claws causing a LOT more damage than Creed's do. They are just built better for causing massive damage. Creed cant really easily cause instant massive damage, especially against someone with an adamantium skeleton protecting their inards. Wolverine can. One thrust and Wolverine can completely impale an opponent with ease. Creed has to work for it with his much shorter claws. Wolverine has dropped Creed with a single claw attack several times. Creed has yet to do the same. He just causes more damage.
Originally posted by ricerooston panal. not off.
At the end of the day they are pretty even in my eyes. Creed had some advantages, but Wolverine's skill and higher damage potential even it out. Wolverine also wins the majority of their fights so it's silly to count him out as easily as some do.
Originally posted by jinzin
wolverine got a win over a cocky creed who thought he already won the fight.creed's overwhelmed wolverine in wolverine v3. 19, wolverine v2. 166, and again in an xmen classics book (i think)... he's also beat wolverine down on damn near ever b-day by wolverine's own admission.
wolverine has a lot more on panal going for him than creed.. credd still has impressive feats...
I don't think wovlerine would emerge unscathed from an all out assault by magma, creed did.
creed also remained concious after getting melted to near bone by sunfire which is pretty impressive..
and recovered from being cut into chunks ( or pieces as wolverine described) their HF seems very much to be at the same level..
creed used to give wolvie ass kicking before he had the adamantium and his upgrades, you think he wouldn't fair better now?
on panal. not off.
Co-signed.
Riceroost, I'm sorry, but your boy loses here.
Originally posted by Jyppe
It's so good to see 2 Wolverine fans arguing against each other for a chance 😛Anyways, Creed wins the majority here. Does he have any good skill feats though?
yeah he's got a couple....
he's shown using martial arts skill against kitty pride in a hand to hand fight once, while she got the upper hand on him, it was through the use of phasing.
he's also shown fair grappling skills, getting an armbar on a supersoldier who had luke cage-like skin and then breaking the bone.
During their fight in wolverine 126 he played possem, allowing wolverine to hit him, but not allowing for any hits to be bone on bone (in order to keep his admantium secret)-- that showed how he can let wolverine hit him only the way he wants should that be his motivation.
Of course non of this is anything seriously major, but it's not bad for a character who was originally written to not have ANY skill whatsoever in fighting...
it's of note that wolverine thinks that sabretooth's fighting ability is superb.
Originally posted by jinzinCreed only hit Wolverine like twice in that fight and both times Wolverine responded with a counterblow. There is no evidence to support that Creed was being any more overconfident than he usually is. Which is pretty much all the time. There is also no evidence that Creed was holding back in any way. Point is Bone Claws TROUNCED an adamantium Sabretooth who had a better healing factor than he did. The pics speak for themselves. As soon as Wolverine got pissed off that fight was OVER.
wolverine got a win over a cocky creed who thought he already won the fight.
Originally posted by jinzinAnd Wolverine badly overwhelmed Sabretooth in the above fight. Besides that Wolverine has one shotted Sabretooth several times including Inferno. They both have their fair share of quick victories over the other. I believe Wolverine has more than Creed.
creed's overwhelmed wolverine in wolverine v3. 19, wolverine v2. 166,.
Doesn't even bother with claws here.
Originally posted by jinzinYeah because he snuck up behind Wolverine and tore out his throat before Wolverine knew he was there. Not exactly a straight up 1 on 1 fight. Wolverine has stated to my knowledge that Creed has, "Left his mark on me every year." Which in no way means Sabretooth beat his ass every single year. It means he's attacked me every year. Creed probably snuck up on him and cheap shotted him like he did in the Classic X-Men back-up. If a suprise attack means an advantage to you then all I can say is:
and again in an xmen classics book (i think)... he's also beat wolverine down on damn near ever b-day by wolverine's own admission.
Originally posted by jinzinAnd Wolverine kicked Sabretooth's ass just as many times if not more. In fact it is more. In fact Wolverine with NO POWERS has utterly embarassed Sabretooth who did have powers. Happened shortly after the Mutant Massacre:
creed used to give wolvie ass kicking before he had the adamantium and his upgrades, you think he wouldn't fair better now?
Originally posted by jinzinYou do not know that. We dont know the results of all their off panel fights. Common sense would indicate they follow the pattern of their on panel fights, most of which involve Wolverine winning or at least stalemating him.
on panal. not off.
X-men issue 164: Wolverine Battles Sabertooth and defeats Sabertooth to the point were he is merely little pieces spread around.
X-Men Deluxe issue 90: Wolverine defeats Victor creed aka Sabertooth Logan’s mortal enemy. Logan begins the fight holding back with out evening using his claws. He how ever is pushed into using the claws and defeats Sabertooth soon after by popping his claws through Sabertooths brain.
X-Men Issue 161: Wolverine fights Sabertooth in order to stop him from killing others. Logan defeats Sabertooth in 5 panels due to superior skill and tactics.
here are 3 for now I will post more later