Originally posted by jinzin Wolverine popped a claw through sabes brain when sabretooth TOLD HIM TO.. because
you know. sabretooth wanted it.. like he did the entire story arch of being held up in the x-mansion.
It didn't matter if Sabre wanted it or not. Wolverine was in position to do the head pop anyway. Creed only asked Wolverine to do it because he was mocking Wolverine for holding back by doing the middle claw threat. Sabre most likely thought Wolverine was just going to wuss out and lock him up again.
Originally posted by jinzin the point was that sabretooth proved a CLEAR h2h superiority.. if logan had one he
sure didn't show it considering the fact that sabretooth was getting more hits in. Wolverine was getting chumped.
Sabretooth and Wolverine were dead even in H2H, even though Creed WAS using his CLAWS and Wolverine was NOT. Wolverine was fighting evenly with Creed despite Creed's greater speed and strength and his use of his primary weapon. Creed only gets the advantage because of the low blow. Even after the low blow Creed only hits him 3 times and manages to send him to his knees. Then Wolverine gets right back up. It's not like he was getting overwealmed. He got kicked in the junk and Creed had a momentary advantage on a guy thats clearly holding back.
Originally posted by jinzin and just because he was holding back his claws does not automatically dictate that
his fighting ability would suffer.. the fight was fairly one sided and Wolverine was getting the worst of it.
If hes not using his claws he's holding back his MAIN WEAPON. He's not trying to seriously injure Creed. Creed IS using his claws, therefor he's obviously trying to seriously injure Wolvy. Creed is not holding back. Wolverine is. It's a handicap. The fight was only one-sided because Wolverine refused to use his claws on Sabretooth, who then states he is going to kill Wolverine. Wolverine not using the claws isn't trying, it's plain and simple. If Wolverine didn't fight Spider-Man with the claws you would obviously state that he was holding back, why is this so different? Not only that, but it's Creed, who he HATES. Wolverine had to be holding back a lot not to pop on him.
Using the claws makes this a different fight entirely. Wolverine's punches can't possibly inflict as much damage as Creed's claws do on him. Wolverine's main advantage over Creed other than skill is that he can inflict heavier damage. Take that away and Wolverine is holding back against a guy that is stronger and faster. Honestly what chance does Wolverine have against Creed w/o the claws? He could hurt him, stun him, but surely not finish him off. If you fight a guy w/o a weapon in a fashion that you know wont yield a victory you are obviously holding back.
Besides all that Creed is doing his best to KILL Logan at the end of the fight and Wolverine completely turns the fight around in his favor and has Creed at his mercy, still holding back the claws. Pics dont lie. Creed got flattened.
After Wolverine finally gets pissed all of Creed's "superiority" vanishes.
Originally posted by jinzin And this is again.. AFTER sabretooth forced himself through that force field.. and don't give me that "glow" garbage.
It's not garbage when Creed blatantly compares it to the Glow (which doesn't even hurt him), only saying it's not even that effective.
Originally posted by jinzin Cop out.
How the **** is that a cop out? If an opponent you know better than yourself randomly shows up with a huge upgrade it's going to suprise you and put you at a disadvantage. Wolverine thought his blows would have the same effect that they usually did, but they didn't as Creed had the metal bones and the suddenly better HF. It's like fighting a completely new opponent, one that has even more advantages than normal.
Originally posted by jinzin He's got logan on the ropes and logans admiting TO HIMSELF that he might be able to
take creed.. ADVANTAGE? CREED.
Creed had no win here. He had an advantage, and Logan is undecided about who will win. That in no way means he is beat. Creed had an advantage, not a win.
Originally posted by jinzin Uhh yes it did.. you know when you hear that "krk" noise and wolverine blacks out to
their past encounter.
So what if there was a noise? What does a noise prove? Nothing. Wolverine had a flashback that lasted about a milisecond. Wolverine was still standing. It's not like he was KOed and laying in the dirt while Creed giggled. He ripped out Logan's spine, Wolverine experiences his little dream state that it is established in # 48 he goes into while healing, and is still on his feet. The story is told from Logan's POV. Creed could have been momentarily blacking out after Logan's strikes. Creed's attack didn't even knock Wolverine over. Wolverine was probably still fighting while it was going on like he seems to be doing during his little rage in # 51.
Originally posted by jinzin Wolverine only recovered from that because sabretooth let him go.. in shock to the
latin comment.
Did you see Creed let him go? No. We come out of the flashback and see Wolverine standing there unaffected by Creed's attack. You have no idea what happened.
Originally posted by jinzin Wolverine assumes.. yet who's strapped to the blackbird?
So because he assumed it means he's wrong? He stabbed him in the head. I'm willing to assume Creed was KOed. Double KO is a draw. Wolverine assumes Creed woke up first, but he also thinks Creed had help. There is no way to know how Wolverine got tied up, or how he got to the plane, or how Creed was flying the plane. Someone could have helped him like Panther, Wild Child, or the other animals we see in # 53. I doubt Creed was the one who chained him. Creed should have known there was no way chains would hold Wolverine. He wouldn't have bothered with something that wouldn't work. Someone could have helped Creed get into the jet and set up auto pilot, while someone elsestrapped Wolverine in. Creed wakes up in the air right when Wolvy does.
Originally posted by jinzin Superior showing? sabretooth.
Getting a claw shoved through your brain is not a superior showing. Creed also had the easier wound to heal. Punctures will heal faster than Wolverine's injury. Wolverine's organ was ripped out of his body. Healing cuts takes less time to heal than regenerating missing flesh. He was still KOed and that means draw.
Originally posted by jinzin again with this helpless nonsense.. it's like when creed is shackled by BP he must
be helpless there to.
Creed was unable to get away from Wolverine. He was getting choked out until the impact. The impact saved him. advantage: Wolverine. Being shackled by Panther is meaningless. Creed had Panther, Logan, Storm, and Wakandan guards shackle him. Dont get what your point is. Being shackled by a group of people in anoutnumbered situation is completely different than Wolverine throttling you in a 1 on 1 fight.
Originally posted by jinzin and again I suppose attacks from behind are only applicable when it's wolverine
attacking.
WTF are you babbling about? Sabretooth constantly blindsides Wolverine in non-combat, or sneak attack situations when he's distracted. Wolverine got behind Sabretooth in a 1 on 1 fight where both were actually in the process of hitting each other. Wolverine got behind Creed and throttled him because he's a better fighter.
Originally posted by jinzin and again! sabretooth had a superior showing of durability.
So? We already know Creed is more durable than Wolverine. Creed got a durability up-grade from his last Weapon X stint. When you get into a wreck your injuries are not determined by who is more durable. Creed could have landed on grass and Wolverine could have landed with a burning part of the wing shoved through his gut. It all up to chance. Wolverine's injuries looked worse, but Creed still had bones in his right leg, right ribcage, and his right arm showing. You could also see through Creed's right flank, as the sky is visible where flesh is missing. By the time Storm gets there they are both similarly healed. Both of them still have muscle tissue visible on their right sides. By the last page Wolverine looks normal and Creed still has a singed scalp.
Originally posted by jinzin Not at all.. I'm not being half the hypocrite that you've proven yourself to be here.. that's all.
I'm not the one contradicting my own arguments from other threads. That's you. I'm also not the one misrepresenting information. You are clearly doing that, or it's been so long since you read these comics you dont remember.
