Originally posted by Wally WestHe's the one that rushed Deathstroke after he replied to Dick's message though. It's more believable that Slade was the one not wanting to fight, since when Dick rushed him he was just leaning against the wall talking.
True but Nightwing wasn't looking for a fight, he was asking Deathstroke for help and trying to convince him he'd gone rogue.Nightwing has shown he can be effective against Deathstroke a few times in the past (not beating him, but giving him problems).
But yeah, I know, Dick has trained with Slade, worked on teams with him, been against him a lot, but Slade's nearly always on the top when they fight, Nightwing can hang for a bit though.. However it usually took fighting the whole team of Titans to eventually topple him. As far as I know, the showing later in that arc where he dodges around fighting for a second and leaves is his best showing against Slade in his own series... but admittedly I haven't read Nightwing from number 1, only the last handful of years. Titans however, I read a lot of. And Deathstroke's whole series.
Nightwing wins the clear majority in this instance, imo.
Dick, 7/10.
For all of Wolverines skills, he's more of a beserker/melee type on paper, 7/10.
The three times he uses skill doesn't make him a better fighter than Dick, who uses skill pretty much 9/10 on paper.
Without his skeleton, which partially gives him enhanced stats, and his healing factor, he's just a guy for Dick to beat on, imo.
Prove to me that Logan is more skilled than Dick, without going into narrative descriptions........
Wolverine = Grunts, growls, dashes, swings, and damage soak.
Snikt.
Without the snikt, the damage soak, and the enhanced durability, he's just a meat bag to beat on.
For all of Wolverines vaunted skill.
Cuz if thats the case, then Thor would beat Batman hth, and we know thats not the case.
Originally posted by UniOmni
Nightwing wins the clear majority in this instance, imo.Dick, 7/10.
For all of Wolverines skills, he's more of a beserker/melee type on paper, 7/10.
The three times he uses skill doesn't make him a better fighter than Dick, who uses skill pretty much 9/10 on paper.
Without his skeleton, which partially gives him enhanced stats, and his healing factor, he's just a guy for Dick to beat on, imo.
Prove to me that Logan is more skilled than Dick, without going into narrative descriptions........
Wolverine = Grunts, growls, dashes, swings, and damage soak.
Snikt.Without the snikt, the damage soak, and the enhanced durability, he's just a meat bag to beat on.
For all of Wolverines vaunted skill.
Cuz if thats the case, then Thor would beat Batman hth, and we know thats not the case.
That's roughly the same stuff i've been puzzling over and it aint like Grayson is a Hand Ninja or anything.
batman
But Flash never getting hit by slow stuff is much greater than him getting hit by slow things. If we can't go by him doing things constantly most of the time, then let's go by their Backgrounds. Wolverine has more fighting skills than Nightwing through his wars, training from Weapon X, Learning in Japan and blah blah blah blah blah by many masters, him being much older so he can learn them better and been with more teachers. Even his Data from people in the Marvel unbiverse says the skills he had.
Originally posted by RicodrayzFlash spends alot more time getting hit by things he shouldn't than by things he should. His comics last longer than they theoretically should as well...
But Flash never getting hit by slow stuff is much greater than him getting hit by slow things. If we can't go by him doing things constantly most of the time, then let's go by their Backgrounds. Wolverine has more fighting skills than Nightwing through his wars, training from Weapon X, Learning in Japan and blah blah blah blah blah by many masters, him being much older so he can learn them better and been with more teachers. Even his Data from people in the Marvel unbiverse says the skills he had.
A majority of the time Wolverine doesn't apply his fighting skills, that doesn't mean he isn't the better fighter, just in character he relies on his durability. Does that make sense?
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Flash spends alot more time getting hit by things he shouldn't than by things he should. His comics last longer than they theoretically should as well...A majority of the time Wolverine doesn't apply his fighting skills, that doesn't mean he isn't the better fighter, just in character he relies on his durability. Does that make sense?
It makes sense to say that Wolverine, in character, relies on his durability.
Why? Because he has it to rely upon.
Why dodge bullets, or avoid punches if they are entirely ineffective? 馃槵. There would be no reason to.
Besides, the few times that Wolverine has lost his healing factor, he HAS shown that he can keep up in skill. I agree that he is often pictured as the berserker in his comics, but...fact is, Wolverine is skilled when he needs to be.
Moreso than Nightwing? I dunno...but I definitely wouldn't make the leap to say that Nightwing is far more skilled than Logan. It's gonna take some more accute debate till we reach that point.
Originally posted by SoljerWell not ineffective in the instant since, but he knows that he'll be ok later... that doesn't mean he'll lose the match.
It makes sense to say that Wolverine, in character, relies on his durability.Why? Because he has it to rely upon.
Why dodge bullets, or avoid punches if they are entirely ineffective? 馃槵. There would be no reason to.
Besides, the few times that Wolverine has lost his healing factor, he HAS shown that he can keep up in skill. I agree that he is often pictured as the berserker in his comics, but...fact is, Wolverine is skilled when he needs to be.
Moreso than Nightwing? I dunno...but I definitely wouldn't make the leap to say that Nightwing is far more skilled than Logan. It's gonna take some more accute debate till we reach that point.
Wolverine is more careful without his durability (but he still has the skeleton), but his carefulness wouldn't be the same as compared to Nightwing being accustomed to it IMO.
I don't even like Wolverine much anymore but X-Men Vol. 1 # 62 Shang Chi and Logan = Logan showing some punking skillz and Shang Chi =Nightwing H2H i would say. It annoys me how he is written as having a knowledge of a wide variety of martial arts but end's up like a bar room brawler too much.
The cool thing about Wolverine is that Wolverine can naturally blended thought and action as one in battle......It's been shown that even in beserker mode his subconcious mind is still allowing him to complete very high level fight moves formulating complex battle maneuvers, counters, and attacks in the heat of the moment like a samurai pimp master. Even Shang Chi was amazed at how controlled he was.