Islam and Porn

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Islam and Porn

Now i work in an office with restricted net access so i nip into the library near my workplace on my dinner break nearly every working day to check my hotmail..
I work in a town called Oldham and it has a very large muslim population and this means the libraries computers are used by on the whole by asian men.FACT
Many of them are in their muslim robes and sit there and ask each other "how was your Eid?" etc and what are a lot of these muslim men with their monitors turned at an angle watching????
Porn.....thats right PORN.
Big Booty girls with Big Bootys rubbing ointment onto themseles to the right of me this particular dinner break....this wasnt an asian dude in sportswear..he had the whole muslim robes thing goin on.
Yesterday to my right was a dude watching a bit of penetration goin on onscreen with his hand moving in his pocket and he certainly wasnt looking for his pendant with Allah Ackbar engraved on it.If this was a one off..fine..BUT ITS EVERY DAY!
The search bars are chock full of porn look ups,well that and Tupac.
It aint exactly a big muslim wank-a-thon but its getting to the point where complaints are going to be made.
So imagine my surprise when i read this when i did a bit of research-

Lowering the Gaze
When such images become prevalent in a society, what is deemed pornographic changes drastically. The very standard of modesty, which should be a defining characteristic of Muslim dress and behavior, will become degraded. The Islamic standard must be upheld. The true believer fears Allah's judgement and knows that no act will go unaccounted for and that even his own eyes will bear witness against him on the Day of Judgement. Allah (swt) says: "Until, when they reach it (Hell-Fire) their hearing and eyes and skin will testify against them as to what they used to do." Rasoolullah (saws) warned us that there is a zinaa of the eyes just as there is a zinaa of the private parts.
The Islamic solution to living in a society where pornographic images are so visible is to lower one's gaze

So can anyone tell me what the script is with Islam and pornography?

Re: Islam and Porn

Originally posted by vintageSW77
Now i work in an office with restricted net access so i nip into the library near my workplace on my dinner break nearly every working day to check my hotmail..
I work in a town called Oldham and it has a very large muslim population and this means the libraries computers are used by on the whole by asian men.FACT
Many of them are in their muslim robes and sit there and ask each other "how was your Eid?" etc and what are a lot of these muslim men with their monitors turned at an angle watching????
Porn.....thats right PORN.
Big Booty girls with Big Bootys rubbing ointment onto themseles to the right of me this particular dinner break....this wasnt an asian dude in sportswear..he had the whole muslim robes thing goin on.
Yesterday to my right was a dude watching a bit of penetration goin on onscreen with his hand moving in his pocket and he certainly wasnt looking for his pendant with Allah Ackbar engraved on it.If this was a one off..fine..BUT ITS EVERY DAY!
The search bars are chock full of porn look ups,well that and Tupac.
It aint exactly a big muslim wank-a-thon but its getting to the point where complaints are going to be made.
So imagine my surprise when i read this when i did a bit of research-

Lowering the Gaze
When such images become prevalent in a society, what is deemed pornographic changes drastically. The very standard of modesty, which should be a defining characteristic of Muslim dress and behavior, will become degraded. The Islamic standard must be upheld. The true believer fears Allah's judgement and knows that no act will go unaccounted for and that even his own eyes will bear witness against him on the Day of Judgement. Allah (swt) says: "Until, when they reach it (Hell-Fire) their hearing and eyes and skin will testify against them as to what they used to do." Rasoolullah (saws) warned us that there is a zinaa of the eyes just as there is a zinaa of the private parts.
The Islamic solution to living in a society where pornographic images are so visible is to lower one's gaze

NOT IN OLDHAM IT SEEMS

Thats why I dont have time for muslims screaming on about how society needs to accomdate them more. The fact of the matter is their rules are unpractical and not really any use to anybody, just bloody hypocrisy.

Well pornography is not allowed in Islam.

Thanks for clearing this up and apologies for before Alfheim.
Youre alright.

Originally posted by vintageSW77
Thanks for clearing this up and apologies for before Alfheim.
Youre alright.

Ok thats cool. 😄

Maybe they're just pretending to be musilm.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Maybe they're just pretending to be musilm.

Yeah whatever. Wheres Alliance?

It;s all relative to one's perspective. And if they were truly enlightened, they'd realize it's all the same thing...it only depends on one's state of mind, whether or not something is pornographic or not.

It's quite honestly a fruitless discussion, and only worthwhile for religious-minded zealots who feel that it's possible to determine a set standard for life by looking at an obscure and out-of-date text.

...

But older men looking at porn in a library amuses the hell out of me. Nice thread. 🙂

Re: Islam and Porn

Originally posted by vintageSW77
Now i work in an office with restricted net access so i nip into the library near my workplace on my dinner break nearly every working day to check my hotmail..
I work in a town called Oldham and it has a very large muslim population and this means the libraries computers are used by on the whole by asian men.FACT
Many of them are in their muslim robes and sit there and ask each other "how was your Eid?" etc and what are a lot of these muslim men with their monitors turned at an angle watching????
Porn.....thats right PORN.
Big Booty girls with Big Bootys rubbing ointment onto themseles to the right of me this particular dinner break....this wasnt an asian dude in sportswear..he had the whole muslim robes thing goin on.
Yesterday to my right was a dude watching a bit of penetration goin on onscreen with his hand moving in his pocket and he certainly wasnt looking for his pendant with Allah Ackbar engraved on it.If this was a one off..fine..BUT ITS EVERY DAY!
The search bars are chock full of porn look ups,well that and Tupac.
It aint exactly a big muslim wank-a-thon but its getting to the point where complaints are going to be made.
So imagine my surprise when i read this when i did a bit of research-

Lowering the Gaze
When such images become prevalent in a society, what is deemed pornographic changes drastically. The very standard of modesty, which should be a defining characteristic of Muslim dress and behavior, will become degraded. The Islamic standard must be upheld. The true believer fears Allah's judgement and knows that no act will go unaccounted for and that even his own eyes will bear witness against him on the Day of Judgement. Allah (swt) says: "Until, when they reach it (Hell-Fire) their hearing and eyes and skin will testify against them as to what they used to do." Rasoolullah (saws) warned us that there is a zinaa of the eyes just as there is a zinaa of the private parts.
The Islamic solution to living in a society where pornographic images are so visible is to lower one's gaze

So can anyone tell me what the script is with Islam and pornography?

Pornography and the culture of pornography has all the three elements which God has prohibited in the above verse of the Quran: Fuhsha; Munkar, baghi. Here is a bit of terminology before we review the rest of the evidence prohibiting pornography.

Fuhsha:
According to the Al-Mawrid Arabic-English dictionary of Munir Baalbaki, Fuhash is obscenity, vulgarity, indecency, shamelessness and something that is dirty, filthy and foul. Al-Mawrid's English-Arabic dictionary translates pornographic as Fahish. The Hans Wehr Dictionary Of Modern Written Arabic adds monstrosity, abomination, vile deed and fornication to its meaning as well.

Fuhsha, translated as anything shameful, is a Quranic term which in the Quran and Hadith has been used widely for unIslamic sexual behavior. The Quran uses it as in the above verse (Quran 16:90). It is a set of vices that embraces the whole range of evil and shameful deeds. Scholars of the Quran have included every vice which is intrinsically of a highly reprehensible character into this category whether it be fornication, nudity, public foreplay as depicted in films and photos, pornography, hurling abuses and curse words, promiscuous mixing, or dresses designed to expose the body. At the highest level of Fuhsha, Allah has included adultery (Quran 17:32) and same gender sex (Quran 7:80; 27:54).

All scholars agree pornography is included in the term Fuhsha.

Al-Munkar
Al-Mawrid English - Arabic Dictionary describes Munkar as gross, abominable, detestable, atrocious, outrageous, flagrant.

As a major Quranic term it means something which is universally acknowledged as bad and immoral. This category includes all evils which have been unanimously condemned by the human conscience and which have been forbidden by Divine Law in all ages.

People of all faiths abhor pornography. Even the norms of American society do not allow its propagation in mainstream newspapers and prime time TV, forcing it to hide in dark alleys. Those who are addicted to pornography try to watch it mostly discreetly. This indicates that it is a universally accepted immoral act which Quran calls al-Munkar.

Al-Baghi

According to Al-Mawrid English - Arabic dictionary, this term means wrong, injustice, outrage, and transgression.

Al-Baghi in the Quranic terminology means transgression and trespassing into the space and the rights of others, whether those rights be of God or of a fellow human being. Pornography is a transgression towards God as well as towards human beings and animals. The pornographic industry trespasses on the rights of women especially by turning them into sex objects. Pornographic emails trespass the private email boxes of Americans at least four times a day.

Re: Re: Islam and Porn

Originally posted by Fatima
Al-Baghi in the Quranic terminology means transgression and trespassing into the space and the rights of others, whether those rights be of God or of a fellow human being. Pornography is a transgression towards God as well as towards human beings and animals. The pornographic industry trespasses on the rights of women especially by turning them into sex objects. Pornographic emails trespass the private email boxes of Americans at least four times a day.

Pornography objectifies both MEN AND WOMEN, but both sexes get paid, so I see no oppression involved.

Islam as a religion oppresses women, especially in the deeper Islamic lands. I find it so hypocritical that you will argue how Pornography demeans women, when in Muslim Fundmentalist Nations women can be murdered for not covering up, for cheating on thier husbands, or for "disgracing" thier families.

I would rather have people enjoying explosure to highly sexual material than get needlessly executed for unfamiliar sexual orientation.

In Iraq, for example, two gay teenagers were executed by being hung. Simply because they had sex. The Islamic Law in this case is dispicable and barbaric.

Sorry, but like Lil Bitchiness, I do not care for the Religion of Islam in its fundamental form. Luckily, in the United States, Islam has been SLIGHTLY Liberalized, so that EXTREMISM that exists in Islamic nations is not abundant here.

What's the freakin' mystery?

Biology, baby! Whatever other purposes we may assign ourselves as thinking beings, we arrived first as biological beings, and as biological beings our One and Only Purpose is to reproduce.

Sex. Sex. Sex.

Nature made sure the Urge to Merge is virtually overpowering, otherwise, well, there wouldn't be any porn and no one to look at it.

Of course, in the library was also just a sampling of the Less Devout, Less Disciplined. The Real [insert religious group here] are home or in their places of worship...slaying the dragon. 😉

Originally posted by Mindship
What's the freakin' mystery?

Biology, baby! Whatever other purposes we may assign ourselves as thinking beings, we arrived first as biological beings, and as biological beings our One and Only Purpose is to reproduce.

Sex. Sex. Sex.

Exactly. I've had pornography and prostitutes presented to me numerous times, while I served in Iraq. It's everywhere...

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah whatever. Wheres Alliance?

Right here.

Everyone does crap against their religion. Religion is a giant f*ck-up.

Originally posted by Alliance
Right here.

Everyone does crap against their religion. Religion is a giant f*ck-up.

Sad thing too, if people would use it as a tool for guidance and not a rulebook of absolutes which needs to be followed or else the world would be a better place imo.

Originally posted by Robtard
Sad thing too, if people would use it as a tool for guidance and not a rulebook of absolutes which needs to be followed or else the world would be a better place imo.

Exxxxxactly.

Originally posted by Jim Reaper
Exactly. I've had pornography and prostitutes presented to me numerous times, while I served in Iraq. It's everywhere...

Yeah but these dudes seek it out.
They dont log on and POW its there.
The library has restrictions on Porn...so not only are these dudes accessing it they also know where to get it and how to go against the librarys system...which takes effort.
If it was a bunch of kids in trackies n sneakers fine but these dudes obviously were in the full get up.....one even waved goodbye to his missus/sister who was in full veil...a tad hipocritical.

NICE!

Originally posted by vintageSW77
Yeah but these dudes seek it out.
They dont log on and POW its there.
The library has restrictions on Porn...so not only are these dudes accessing it they also know where to get it and how to go against the librarys system...which takes effort.
If it was a bunch of kids in trackies n sneakers fine but these dudes obviously were in the full get up.....one even waved goodbye to his missus/sister who was in full veil...a tad hipocritical.

NICE!

Dont get me started! If you've known me long enough on this forum I tend to rant on about these thing and I have to stop myself from saying something really nasty, so sometimes when Islam come up I try to avoid discussing it.

*twitch* *twitch*

Originally posted by vintageSW77
Yeah but these dudes seek it out.
They dont log on and POW its there.
The library has restrictions on Porn...so not only are these dudes accessing it they also know where to get it and how to go against the librarys system...which takes effort.
If it was a bunch of kids in trackies n sneakers fine but these dudes obviously were in the full get up.....one even waved goodbye to his missus/sister who was in full veil...a tad hipocritical.

NICE!

I dont know what the purpose behind this topic , but i think we told you that porn is forbidden in Islam ...

porn its addiction ,like drugs and alcohol ..and islam forbid the things that damage the brain ..

Originally posted by Alfheim
Dont get me started! If you've known me long enough on this forum I tend to rant on about these thing and I have to stop myself from saying something really nasty, so sometimes when Islam come up I try to avoid discussing it.

*twitch* *twitch*

No body force you to comment ,Alfheim 😕

Originally posted by Fatima
I dont know what the purpose behind this topic , but i think we told you that porn is forbidden in Islam ...

porn its addiction ,like drugs and alcohol ..and islam forbid the things that damage the brain ..

How does Porn damage the Brain ?

Do you have any idea what you are talking about ?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Exxxxxactly.

Exactly.