Thor vs. Lobo

Originally posted by h1a8
I agree. Yes it does
But using the necessary means to win doesn't have anything to do with using a power that one should not have according to the rules. These are two entirely different concepts. For example, Thor can use the godblast over and over if he wishes as a necessary means to win in this forum. Thats because that power has been established throughout his career and it is in his official bios from marvel hq. Also, Thor shooting absolute penetrating bullets out of his eyes would still be a necessary means to win a fight but it is not allowed for the simple reason of SmvFL.

If you don't agree then explain this

[B]SmvFL is a feat that "is not repeated or is rarely repeated again relative to the character's overall established career, as well as the character's opponents' established showings. In statistical terms, it is an outlier."

If you take that definition literally and as the letter of the LAW then there is no way for Thor to have a force shield. [/B]

loathe though i am to admit it, I think you'd have to round that up as classic thor who used a shield as in most recent years he hasn't... and then the fight would be about current vs. classic...

I'd say classic has shown his ability to use a shield... but not current... like i would say Current surfer is a badass... but in his early years.. kinda wimpy when he was depowered...

Current Thor is RKT, however Thor before that powerup is the same Thor as classic as Marvel never had a crisis.

You can make the argument that he isn't likely to use that tactic but not that he can't.

Thor FTW

Originally posted by Silent Master
Current Thor is RKT, however Thor before that powerup is the same Thor as classic as Marvel never had a crisis.

You can make the argument that he isn't likely to use that tactic but not that he can't.

really, the "original" thor used to be donald blake.. and had restrictions placed upon his powers.. that was taken away... his powers were given to other characters... like thunderstrike etc... You can't compare the two.

And "classic Hulk's" punches have been shown start a galaxy/universe...

lift up billions of tons...
run at super speeds...

Classic Namor's been shown to lift up huge battleships weighing weight more than 100tons... but hes classified as a lot weaker..

juggernaut used to have a shield too... what happened to that...

Personally while there's marvels upgrades... i think they have downgrades too...

We were shown when he stopped being Donald Blake just like we were shown his being bound to Jake Olsen, we were also shown when Eric took over for him, we were shown BRB lifting Mjolnir and getting Thor's powers etc.

Like I said, you can make the argument that he probably won't use that tactic but not that he doesn't have the ability.

Eric Masterson and Beta Ray Bill have used force fields before????

I have never ever seen those.. jeez

Where did I say they had?

Let me ask. Since Eric Masterson took over has thor, has there once been an instance where Thor used his shield?

Don't know off hand, what does it matter?

I'm saying Thor was depowered. Which is why he doesn't do it anymore..

Magneto got weaker over time... he isn't messing with the entire earth's magnetic pull anymore...

When did he lose that power?

He just hasn't been doing things on that scale lately...

Juggernaut for a while had a forcefield.. suddenly he didn't... then he got depowered by cyttorak.. but noone even remembered about the forcefield the entire point leading to even when he got depowered...

I'm saying that since there can be power ups why can't characters get depowered.

and magneto got older.. and his powers waned over time.
Quasar in his comics could create constructs that in the past could how back dozens of ships, gods, thor, thanos.s.... etc... with ease...
but in annihilation he gets smacked around like he isn't a powerhouse...

There is a difference between writers having differing opinons on power levels/abilities and characters getting a power up/down.

Originally posted by rotiart
really, the "original" thor used to be donald blake.. and had restrictions placed upon his powers.. that was taken away... his powers were given to other characters... like thunderstrike etc... You can't compare the two.

And "classic Hulk's" punches have been shown start a galaxy/universe...

lift up billions of tons...
run at super speeds...

Classic Namor's been shown to lift up huge battleships weighing weight more than 100tons... but hes classified as a lot weaker..

juggernaut used to have a shield too... what happened to that...

Personally while there's marvels upgrades... i think they have downgrades too...

Originally posted by Juntai
Agreed, many characters are no longer the power level they used to be. Hulk and Thor are two of them. Marvel never had a Crisis, but there came a time when more serious writers started popping up and basically reinventing the character. Thor has the power to beat Lobo, but just the same, I think Lobo can take a couple. His immunity to magic takes away a large arsenal of Thor's commonly used powers. Thor 6-7/10

Originally posted by Juntai
Agreed, many characters are no longer the power level they used to be. Hulk and Thor are two of them. Marvel never had a Crisis, but there came a time when more serious writers started popping up and basically reinventing the character. Thor has the power to beat Lobo, but just the same, I think Lobo can take a couple. His immunity to magic takes away a large arsenal of Thor's commonly used powers. Thor 6-7/10

Why would you just assume that a character has lost power unless specifically stated by the writers?