I actually find it funny how fanboyism takes root, and particularly the ways in which fanboyism tends to occur in cycles.
For example, there was a time in the past whereby there would be these heated debates oscillating around Spiderman. There were several rather unabashed Spiderman fanboys who would show (I mean, TRY to show) how Peter Parker (and to a lesser extent Ben Riley) could defeat everything and everyone this side of Mephisto. By the time it had reached its crescendo Spiderman was doing nigh anything ….and in case he was up against some character than even fanboyism couldn’t take down, the fanboys would simply resort to ‘Cosmic Spiderman.’
Then as suddenly as it began it ended!
Then there was the (great) era of Wolverine and his greatest fan Wolverine8888 (now called Capt it Up, and to a large extent not even a tenth of the fanboy he was when he was Wolverine8888). KMC was quite interesting, with debates galore pitting Wolverine against such luminaries as Thor, Superman and WonderWoman (with Wolverine8888 claiming a win for Wolverine in each case). A key claim he would make over and over again is how Wolverine had defeated the Hulk ’14 times’ (I would PAY to see a debate between Wolverine 8888, as he was, and XMeat; with W8888 supporting Wolverine and XMeat supporting the Hulk. I’d say the world would probably come to an end. The unstoppable force of Wolverine8888’s version of Wolverine versus the unstoppable object of XMeat’s version of the Hulk).
Those were the days, and I actually miss Wolverine8888 as he was then. While he was the epitome of ‘fanboy,’ his threads were so ludicrous they were funny.
Then there was a brief period of Batman fanboyism, followed by a similarly brief period of Captain America fanboyism (although in both cases it was mostly a joke – in that posters were simply having fun and weren’t really serious. For example the comments on Captain America’s jobber aura and shield or Batman’s utility belt).
Then came Golem370’s threads that would have a single Marvel character (or a small group of characters) facing off against the ENTIRE DC Universe! The interesting thing about Golem 370 is that he wasn’t really a fanboy ….he did not support any single character to the extreme. What he was instead was more of a groupie ….a Marvel comics groupie. To him anything with the ‘Marvel’ stamp on it designated it as the automatic winner. While he may not have been a ‘real’ fanboy, he was definitely exuding the same traits as one would. For instance irrational statements, atrophied logic, circular thinking, focussing on particular feats to near myopic levels (and at the same time avoiding the strengths of the OTHER character, or in Golem’s case, the combined strengths of an entire universe).
And now comes the season of the Hulk!
DevilHulk and Xmeat have basically made a really good character seem like a joke. Actually this is what any fanboy does ….for instance Wolverine was a very cool character in KMC until Wolverine8888 decided it prudent to be his fanboy. Result: Wolverine became a laughing stock, and while things have improved a bit for Wolverine every now and then you’ll see an older KMC member post something like: ‘LO!0101 Woolbereen weens’ or similar stuff. That stems from the days of Wolverine8888.
What a fanboy does to a character is basically dilute that character’s essence. Basically making a really good character become nothing more than some by-line ….a running joke. Wolverine went from being a really cool hero with one of the coolest character attributes into being nothing more than a gag. And the sad thing is that while Wolverine8888 thought he was standing up for his favorite character, he was actually bringing that character down.
In the same vein, XMeat may think he is supporting the Hulk. The reality is that he is simply making the Hulk follow the same path that Wolverine8888 took Wolverine. Not only does he make himself look silly and illogical, but he dilutes the character he claims to support.
Originally posted by xmeatwell xmeat denying is equivalent to cheating yourself
you do know i dont care all you people do is make hulk look weak just about every damn hulk vs thread you'll say he gets pwned by people he could clearly beat due to his past feats ww, lobo, and now mongul wtf juggernaut would fix all of them. And so will hulk.
XMeat, we do not make the Hulk look weak!
In fact I would bet every single person who has posted on this thread ranks the Hulk very high when it comes to strength, resilience, fortitude, and the like.
The Hulk is a star, and there is no denying that.
The problem is this .....you basically have all of these threads that pit the Hulk against characters he would have NO chance of defeating in a KMC style match (that is, where neither character is jobbing, neither character is trying to have a long battle, and both characters are trying to KILL the other as soon as possible and using ALL of their available powers and attributes to the utmost).
While the Hulk is a major powerhouse, he is simply not in the league of someone like Superman (I use Superman because you have, on several occassions, claimed that the Hulk could destroy Superman without much problem).
In a KMC match the fight would be over before it began.
Why?
Various reasons, but the most paramount are that Superman has a stronger base strength than the Hulk, and by the time the Hulk got angry enough the fight would be over.
Secondly Superman has far more powers than the Hulk (whose main ...no, only .... powers are strength, a healing factor, and the ability to locate where he first turned into the Hulk due to the gamma detonation). Superman, on the other hand, essentially has the powers of an entire X-men team (and those powers are amped up to the nth degree).
Third of those powers there is speed. With Superman's speed the Hulk could never be able to even see Superman, let alone touch him. A good example of how this would work can be seen in the Superman Movie (I hate using that example, but I need something simple and direct). Remember the part where the bad guy was shooting the gattling gun, and Superman was flying so fast the bullest were moving in slow motion! Now imagine the Hulk trying to punch (basically Hulk's MAIN, and to a large part only, offensive weapon, apart from the slap, the foot stomp and the clap) Superman! Nothing the Hulk threw would connect.
In comics it is even shown better ....for instance Superman moving so fast he is almost intangible.
To Superman the Hulk would seem to be standing still. And no, this doesn't require Superman to move at light speed. Or even NEAR lightspeed. Actually all he needs to do is move at low hypersonic speed (or for that matter high supersonic) and the Hulk could never hit him. If Superman moved faster the Hulk couldn't even be able to see him.
Anyways, to cut a long story short.
WE are NOT Hulk haters. Most (if not all) people here respect the Hulk. However you are making an oaf of yourself, and turning the Hulk into some gag!
Actually on another thread a self-confessed Hulk fanboy URGED you to stop, saying that you were making the Hulk seem like a joke. that was a Hulk fanboy (according to him).
Furthermore, you make the thing seem like an even bigger joke when you simply state 'Hulk wins' without giving an explanation of how! A LOGICAL explanation.
For instance in the Hulk vs Flash thread I asked you to give me a solid case of how the Hulk could even tag the Flash.
No response.
You just end up looking like some kid who knows nothing about the people you think the Hulk can beat, and knows nothing about the Hulk.
By comparison, someone like Wolverine8888 (a major Wolvie fanboy of days long past) AT LEAST used to know a good bit about Wolverine. Actually a lot (his major problem was that he simply didn't know anything about the OTHER characters he thought Wolvie could beat, or he simply adored Wolvie so much he became blind to his own delusions and fanboyism). But at least he knew Wolverine to some extent
Same thing about Golem 370. He may have a very skewed opinion of the DC Universe, and he is a veritable groupie of the Marvel Universe, but at least he tries hard. He even gives reasons (many of them weak, but he does), and he spends a lot of time creating character profile links to that marvel website he likes so much. Furthermore every now and then Golem will actually make a very good match.
As for you ....you neither have Wolverine8888's knowledge on the character you claim to support, and you are nowhere as hardworking as Golem 370.
All it seems is you are some person who knows nothing about comics and just goes around creating threads that you know nothing about, and smearing a really good character (the hulk) in the process.
You are worse than a fanboy .....you are a leech. A character leech.
Like one of those kids who get those fake stick-on tattoos and walk around feeling good and macho when all they are is simply some wannabe with a peel-off sticker!
Peel off the Hulk!
Originally posted by spetznaz
XMeat, we do not make the Hulk look weak!
In fact I would bet every single person who has posted on this thread ranks the Hulk very high when it comes to strength, resilience, fortitude, and the like.The Hulk is a star, and there is no denying that.
The problem is this .....you basically have all of these threads that pit the Hulk against characters he would have NO chance of defeating in a KMC style match (that is, where neither character is jobbing, neither character is trying to have a long battle, and both characters are trying to KILL the other as soon as possible and using ALL of their available powers and attributes to the utmost).
While the Hulk is a major powerhouse, he is simply not in the league of someone like Superman (I use Superman because you have, on several occassions, claimed that the Hulk could destroy Superman without much problem).
In a KMC match the fight would be over before it began.
Why?
Various reasons, but the most paramount are that Superman has a stronger base strength than the Hulk, and by the time the Hulk got angry enough the fight would be over.
Secondly Superman has far more powers than the Hulk (whose main ...no, only .... powers are strength, a healing factor, and the ability to locate where he first turned into the Hulk due to the gamma detonation). Superman, on the other hand, essentially has the powers of an entire X-men team (and those powers are amped up to the nth degree).
Third of those powers there is speed. With Superman's speed the Hulk could never be able to even see Superman, let alone touch him. A good example of how this would work can be seen in the Superman Movie (I hate using that example, but I need something simple and direct). Remember the part where the bad guy was shooting the gattling gun, and Superman was flying so fast the bullest were moving in slow motion! Now imagine the Hulk trying to punch (basically Hulk's MAIN, and to a large part only, offensive weapon, apart from the slap, the foot stomp and the clap) Superman! Nothing the Hulk threw would connect.In comics it is even shown better ....for instance Superman moving so fast he is almost intangible.
To Superman the Hulk would seem to be standing still. And no, this doesn't require Superman to move at light speed. Or even NEAR lightspeed. Actually all he needs to do is move at low hypersonic speed (or for that matter high supersonic) and the Hulk could never hit him. If Superman moved faster the Hulk couldn't even be able to see him.
Anyways, to cut a long story short.
WE are NOT Hulk haters. Most (if not all) people here respect the Hulk. However you are making an oaf of yourself, and turning the Hulk into some gag!
Actually on another thread a self-confessed Hulk fanboy URGED you to stop, saying that you were making the Hulk seem like a joke. that was a Hulk fanboy (according to him).
Furthermore, you make the thing seem like an even bigger joke when you simply state 'Hulk wins' without giving an explanation of how! A LOGICAL explanation.
For instance in the Hulk vs Flash thread I asked you to give me a solid case of how the Hulk could even tag the Flash.
No response.You just end up looking like some kid who knows nothing about the people you think the Hulk can beat, and knows nothing about the Hulk.
By comparison, someone like Wolverine8888 (a major Wolvie fanboy of days long past) AT LEAST used to know a good bit about Wolverine. Actually a lot (his major problem was that he simply didn't know anything about the OTHER characters he thought Wolvie could beat, or he simply adored Wolvie so much he became blind to his own delusions and fanboyism). But at least he knew Wolverine to some extent
Same thing about Golem 370. He may have a very skewed opinion of the DC Universe, and he is a veritable groupie of the Marvel Universe, but at least he tries hard. He even gives reasons (many of them weak, but he does), and he spends a lot of time creating character profile links to that marvel website he likes so much. Furthermore every now and then Golem will actually make a very good match.
As for you ....you neither have Wolverine8888's knowledge on the character you claim to support, and you are nowhere as hardworking as Golem 370.
All it seems is you are some person who knows nothing about comics and just goes around creating threads that you know nothing about, and smearing a really good character (the hulk) in the process.
You are worse than a fanboy .....you are a leech. A character leech.
Like one of those kids who get those fake stick-on tattoos and walk around feeling good and macho when all they are is simply some wannabe with a peel-off sticker!
Peel off the Hulk!
This deserves a standing ovation.
Too bad it'll all be lost upon the likes of xmeat.
Originally posted by xmeat
were talking about mongul not superman i dont believe mongul can beat hulk at all. And hulk did fight supes already and fought him quite good supes even said hulk took his best punches thats words from superman.
Actually that quote has ALMOST in it ....and if you look 'almost' is in bold. Check out the comment .....read it well. You will notice 'almost' in it. Almost, like 'but,' basically negates what came before it (for your ease of comprehension, 'negate' means cancels out ...erases ....nullifies ....turns moot).
For example, if I say that you almost passed your exams then I mean you came close but you failed.
If I say that you almost hit the mark i mean you came close but no cigar.
As for me using Superman as an example, I explained why. Because of your statements on that character vs the Hulk (where you were even more adamant than on this thread).
Anyways XMeat, I really have nothing against you (and since you are not even a fanboy in my opinion there is no reason even going on with you).
All I ask is that you try to add more logic to your posts. Otherwise you are simply making yourself look like a sot.
When self-confessed Hulk fans start telling you to lay off the Hulk there is probably a reason for that.
Just think before you post .....that way you will not make mistakes like saying the Hulk can defeat Superman or hit the Flash.
Then study the character you claim to support (in this case actually make an investment in Hulk comics, and if you want to be good look at how different writers have written him. Wikipedia is NOT an alternative!!!)
Third look at the OTHER characters. A character's strength means nothing if his opponent has the same strength (if not greater) PLUS a host of other powers and factors going on for them. It is like me starting a thread based on a race between a Porsche and a fighter-jet .....now, a Porsche is one fast sports car .....but against a jet fighter it is worse than useless.
Do that and you will find that 98% of people are not disagreeing with you.
Originally posted by spetznaz
Same thing about Golem 370. He may have a very skewed opinion of the DC Universe, and he is a veritable groupie of the Marvel Universe, but at least he tries hard. He even gives reasons (many of them weak, but he does), and he spends a lot of time creating character profile links to that marvel website he likes so much. Furthermore every now and then Golem will actually make a very good match.
What's your beef with Golem? I wouldn't consider him a fanboy, even though I don't really follow his threads (He does make too many threads), but I wouldn't call him as half as bad as xmeat or Wolverine8888888
Originally posted by Jyppe
What's your beef with Golem? I wouldn't consider him a fanboy, even though I don't really follow his threads (He does make too many threads), but I wouldn't call him as half as bad as xmeat or Wolverine8888888
He ISN'T as bad as 88888 or xmeat.
But he IS a marvel fanboy. A well known one, in fact.
i might be a little confused about which mongul?
if it is the one in the days of superman dying(where GL had to take him out) in the reign of superman from this point back i have a good collection of his appearences
i would say the hulk wins
after that(i know its been awhile) did they do somthing with him? i swear i saw him training with superman? am i crazy
BTW i think this is a great thread good match up
For the last time i am not a hulk fanboy my favorite character is spidey but i just hate how you people doubt all of hulks feats just to make him look weak.
You'll bring all the times he struggled against street heroes knowing supes has as well but you all choose to ignore those. You people have to understand that hulk really is the strongest one there is and his feats show it as well.
Just like supes he has gone toe to toe with the best his feats are every bit as great as supes.
Now lets talk about the speed yeah supes blitz some characters that were slower but i he didn't always win because of it.Hulk fought supes in 3 different crossovers and fought him quite well where was supes speed then. But some of you still imply supes wins 10/10 thats extreme biase right there. And now we have mongul someones who's clearly alot like hulk and hulk has no chance.
Just because he fought supes means he pounds hulk.
So everyone that can combat supes can beat huk to you'll.
Again maybe supes will win but to say hulk has no chance in hell is clearly fanboyism as well. Supes may win but it would be after one hell of a fight.
1. What Wolverine level character has Superman ever struggled with? When has a Spiderman level character ever knocked Superman out?
2. Hulk fought Superman in three crossovers. Good for them. Why doesn't he use speed? Do you know the definition of PIS? Of FLvsSM?
3. The Hulk has no chance in HELL against Superman. Ever. Speed. Speed. Speed. Speed. Speed.
The Hulk is one dimensional. He's the best in his one dimension, sure, no one is taking that away from him.
But he's one dimensional.
Almost anyone who ONLY relies on strength and invulnerability will eventually go down to the Hulk.
But none of the characters you're trying to pit against the Hulk only rely on strength and invulnerability. Therein lies the problem.
Originally posted by xmeat
Venom
In a noncanon crossover AND Superman was depowered
*yawn*
Originally posted by xmeat
batman
😆
Yeah, while Bruce used kryptonite. Even then, Superman was still holding back, and Batman made note of this. Pathetic example.
During the Sacrifice arc, Superman shattered Bruce's bones with a speedblitz.
Originally posted by xmeat
deathstroke
Deathstroke has NEVER given Superman problems. EVER.
The only two times they've squared off against one another, Superman pwned him both times. Hard.
Originally posted by xmeat
spidey
*sigh*
Once again, in a NONCANON crossover, and Spider-man was being juiced with red sun radiation.
Your evidence sucks to say the least.