Soresu is more about defending against blaster bolts instead of lightsaber attacks. Also, it's users probably aren't that great at deflecting Force attacks either. If it were straight lightsaber fight, I'd give this to Dooku after a long fight. If it were lightsaber and Force, I'd still give it to Dooku, but after a much shorter duel.
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Also, it's users probably aren't that great at deflecting Force attacks either.
How is that? A lightsaber has little to nothing to do with deflecting Force attacks, save for Force lightning (which we see AotC Kenobi blocking it with relative ease, using only one hand). Much less a form.
But, do elaborate.
Originally posted by Escape81
There are some cases in when Force users can overpower the defenses afforded by a lightsaber, though. A la Palpatine and Yoda.
I suppose that's true (everything you say is true!). However, I don't see how much of any Force attacks are blocked by a lightsaber, except for Force lightning. Force lightning which AotC Kenobi blocked with little exertion, and what Yoda was attempting to block in RotS.
What other attacks?
The point was that I don't see how Soresu users aren't as good as other practitioners of forms at "deflecting Force attacks", much less how a lightsaber matters when dealing with the majority of attacks.
Originally posted by Advent
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How is that? A lightsaber has little to nothing to do with deflecting Force attacks, save for Force lightning (which we see AotC Kenobi blocking it with relative ease, using only one hand). Much less a form.
But, do elaborate.
No, no. What I say is that the Form is more about defending themselves from actual assaults like a blaster bolt, as the Form was made to. He manages to deflect the lightning with his lightsaber. However, as can be seen in ROTS, Dooku uses to Force to ovecome Obi-Wan's Soresu.
Originally posted by Council#13
No, no. What I say is that the Form is more about defending themselves from actual assaults like a blaster bolt, as the Form was made to. He manages to deflect the lightning with his lightsaber. However, as can be seen in ROTS, Dooku uses to Force to ovecome Obi-Wan's Soresu.
But, that has to do with Obi-Wan's Force defense. Dooku is a league or two ahead of Kenobi in the Force, hence he was able to take him out so easily. They describe it as "the slightest whipcrack of that power sent Kenobi crashing", it has nothing to do with Soresu.
You said that a Soresu user probably isn't good at blocking attacks, but like I said - Soresu has little to nothing to do with blocking Force attacks, except for lightning. It's mainly dependant upon the victim of the attack, and how proficient they are in the Force.
Unless I'm still misunderstanding your point (most likely as I just woke up). 😛
Originally posted by Advent
But, that has to do with Obi-Wan's Force defense. Dooku is a league or two ahead of Kenobi in the Force, hence he was able to take him out so easily. They describe it as "the slightest whipcrack of that power sent Kenobi crashing", it has nothing to do with Soresu.You said that a Soresu user probably isn't good at blocking attacks, but like I said - Soresu has little to nothing to do with blocking Force attacks, except for lightning. It's mainly dependant upon the victim of the attack, and how proficient they are in the Force.
Unless I'm still misunderstanding your point (most likely as I just woke up). 😛
Oh, really? I never read that comment before. Is it from a book?
The lightning would be quite easy to block. It's something that you can see, unlike a Force-Push. Wouldn't the two hands or so on the hilt restrict the ability to repel a Force attack?
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Originally posted by Council#13
Oh, really? I never read that comment before. Is it from a book?
Yes. It's from the RotS novelization:
"He gathered the Force once more in a single indrawn breath that summoned power from throughout the universe; the slightest whipcrack of that power, negligent as a flick of his wrist, sent Kenobi flying backward to crash hard against the wall."
-- Revenge of the Sith novel, Chapter 3.
Err, I had it wrong just a tad bit, but meh - same thing. He also brought Asajj Ventress down to her knees (not for that), in pain, and then slammed her down all with one finger in Dark Rendezvous, I think it was.
The lightning would be quite easy to block. It's something that you can see, unlike a Force-Push. Wouldn't the two hands or so on the hilt restrict the ability to repel a Force attack?
Well, perhaps, however, other forms use two hands as well. I doubt it'd hinder it as much given the fact Anakin was able to block Obi-Wan's Force push to a degree, even though he was sent flying. He constantly uses two hands for more powerful swings.
I'm really not sure how the mechanics of Force attacks work in terms of having a lightsaber, but I doubt Soresu users will have more of a hard time blocking an attack than another form. Jedi have pre-cognition, and while it isn't infallible, I'd submit it's the main reason for how they know when to block or repel attacks given what Anakin did.
For the majority of attacks we've seen demonstrated, if someone uses a Force attack on their opposition, the opposition usually doesn't repel or block it (assuming it's another Force user).
Though, I'm may not be making sense right now. I'll update later or something when I'm less busy (now I've have to rush to work, didn't realize it was already near 9, EST).
Originally posted by Advent
Yes. It's from the RotS novelization:"He gathered the Force once more in a single indrawn breath that summoned power from throughout the universe; the slightest whipcrack of that power, negligent as a flick of his wrist, sent Kenobi flying backward to crash hard against the wall."
-- Revenge of the Sith novel, Chapter 3.
Err, I had it wrong just a tad bit, but meh - same thing. He also brought Asajj Ventress down to her knees (not for that), in pain, and then slammed her down all with one finger in Dark Rendezvous, I think it was.
Well, perhaps, however, other forms use two hands as well. I doubt it'd hinder it as much given the fact Anakin was able to block Obi-Wan's Force push to a degree, even though he was sent flying. He constantly uses two hands for more powerful swings.
I'm really not sure how the mechanics of Force attacks work in terms of having a lightsaber, but I doubt Soresu users will have more of a hard time blocking an attack than another form. Jedi have pre-cognition, and while it isn't infallible, I'd submit it's the main reason for how they know when to block or repel attacks given what Anakin did.
For the majority of attacks we've seen demonstrated, if someone uses a Force attack on their opposition, the opposition usually doesn't repel or block it (assuming it's another Force user).
Though, I'm may not be making sense right now. I'll update later or something when I'm less busy (now I've have to rush to work, didn't realize it was already near 9, EST).
Hmm, the last time I read the ROTS novelization was about a year ago... anyway, never read Dark Rendevous. Is it good?
If you watch them swinging their blades aimlessly at each other, I think you'll see them using one hand.
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Well, Yoda did block Sith Lightning from both Dooku and Sidious, while Obi-Wan blocked Anakin's Force-Push.
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Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
yea, but OB1 cant attack if he's always blocking. Once he goes to attack, he'll leave a spot unprotected. I see no way of Kenobi winning.
Dooku would win easily. Obi-Wan has never posed a challenge to him when they've encountered each other. As for the novel of RotS, seeing as entire sections of the duel are different, that makes it a totally unreliable source of information when compared to the clear evidence from the films. Yes, in RotS, Obi-Wan put up a better fight against Dooku than in AotC, but he still lost. In AotC, the ease with which Dooku tagged his shoulder and leg shows that the beginning of their fight was little more than baiting on Dooku's part. When he wanted to put Obi-Wan down, he did it effortlessly.