Iron Fist versus Captain America

Daredevil had the advantage recently against Ironfist.

Besides, ignoring this match up alone, we can see that Danny has quite a few feats that are quite a bit superior to Captain America's.

I seriously doubt that. Outside the IF technique itself, Cap has Danny beat in stats.

In Danny's fight with Cap. People ignore that he had a Ironfist technique still within himself, so he was still pretty good with chi energy. He was just at his old level then. The Wrecking Crew didn't really physically hurt Danny in that battle. It was him just using the IF tech.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Daredevil had the advantage recently against Ironfist.

I seriously doubt that. Outside the IF technique itself, Cap has Danny beat in stats.

In Danny's fight with Cap. People ignore that he had a Ironfist technique still within himself, so he was still pretty good with chi energy. He was just at his old level then. The Wrecking Crew didn't really physically hurt Danny in that battle. It was him just using the IF tech.

Not really. Fist can amp his stats with Chi to the point of having Spiderman-like speed feats, and being able to stalemate Luke Cage in strength.

Not really. Fist can amp his stats with Chi to the point of having Spiderman-like speed feats, and being able to stalemate Luke Cage in strength.

Actually Cap has Spiderman-like speed feats. And Cap has matched guys better then Luke. Iron-fist isn't the only one that uses martial arts for his feats. Ironfist are in no way superior to Cap.

I read those scans a while back. I was very impressed. Iron Fist is not to be underestimated. I personally don't believe Iron Fist was weaker, nor do I believe he was holding back. He simply underestimated his opponent like most Cap opponents do and got wrecked by Cap before he knew what was happening. It happens all the time:

Cap's opponent: "This shouldn't be so hard, he's only a man, I'll-"
- Cap starts kicking crap out of opponent -
Cap's opponent: "________?!?!?!? (Enter blank with exclamation: Good god, My lord, By Zeus, Zounds, etc) His _________ (enter blank with skills, speed, strength, etc) are ______ human (enter blank with super, in-, far above, etc). How can one man be so _________?!?!?!(enter blank with fast, strong, skilled)"
- Cap has just about won at this point -

So for example, "Zounds?!?!??! His strength are inhuman! How can one man be so strong?!?!"

Iron Fist did exactly that in those scans. He did not know his opponent's measure in that fight and Cap capitalized before he could adjust. He does now. Iron Fist would not waste a thought and go hardcore on Cap. If he went all out, as if he were fighting the dragon again, he might overwhelm Cap. If he holds back or hesitates in the slightest out of fear of hurting him or just plain uncertainty... Cap takes him down.

All of Iron Fists extra tricks would be wasted. He's got no time to heal with chi or amp his strength up. It takes concentration and that's one thing Cap would never allow him. He doesn't let Spidey finish his thoughts because Cap knows what will happen if he lets up for even a second. Iron Fist's sole weapon is his skills, which might nearly match Cap's.

Cap always has the measure of his opponents, which is why he never has this problem. He never underestimates and since he's fought Iron Fist before, he knows him already. So I'd still give Cap a slight advantage.

Cap 6/10 only because an Iron Fist who has a full measure of his opponent is not to be f'ed with. I believe Danny would understand he'd have to go all out on Cap to win, if he had to.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Actually Cap has Spiderman-like speed feats. And Cap has matched guys better then Luke. Iron-fist isn't the only one that uses martial arts for his feats. Ironfist are in no way superior to Cap.

Even Cap's BEST speed feats can't compare with Danny's, c'mon man, throw down some scans. I've read Captain America comics, he's one of my favorite characters, ask around about how I've defended him, but I still don't think he's enough to take Fist hand to hand.

He could likely take Fist out with the shield, but NOT hand to hand.

Also, who has Cap matched that's stronger than Luke? I don't mean in combat, I mean in strength.

Originally posted by Soljer
Even Cap's BEST speed feats can't compare with Danny's, c'mon man, throw down some scans. I've read Captain America comics, he's one of my favorite characters, ask around about how I've defended him, but I still don't think he's enough to take Fist hand to hand.

He could likely take Fist out with the shield, but NOT hand to hand.

Also, who has Cap matched that's stronger than Luke? I don't mean in combat, I mean in strength.

Well his Bio says that he can use his Chi to riase his abilities to peak human standards. Maybe you are getting his peak human feats mixed up with superhuman.

Through concentration, Iron Fist can harness his spiritual energy, or chi, to augment his physical and mental capabilities to peak human levels.

I mean Cap is supposed to be peak human as well. So you probably didnt see Danny do anything Cap couldnt do.

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Even Cap's BEST speed feats can't compare with Danny's, c'mon man, throw down some scans. I've read Captain America comics, he's one of my favorite characters, ask around about how I've defended him, but I still don't think he's enough to take Fist hand to hand.

He could likely take Fist out with the shield, but NOT hand to hand.

Only if you even it up no shield and no IF technique then yeah he could take it hand to hand imo. Cap's speed feats can compare. I've seen Danny's. Some examples would be like Cap dodging beams while under zero gravity.

Also, who has Cap matched that's stronger than Luke? I don't mean in combat, I mean in strength.

Danny never matched Luke in pure strength, you'd be exaggerating. I've seen him block or parry Luke's strike but thats not the same thing.

Of course, Fist should win and of course he wouldn't. The writers have H***-ons for cap... cap never loses.