More Symbolism

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More Symbolism

This was posted by SavvySparrow over at the Swans and Sparrows Board.

Ok, so back to the task at hand. There are people who insist that we delve too deeply into symbolism and meaning in the Pirates series. That we're seeing what we want to see, rather than what's in front of our faces. Perhaps, but I sincerely beg to differ. Most of the symbols that we've picked up aside from the Jack and Elizabeth inuendo are text book examples of symbolism. Anyone who's taken a literature class in high school and has managed to stay awake would know about universal themes and symbolism. Themes such as life and death are expressed through symbols, and AWE is no exception.

For instance, the script talks a great deal about the Green Flash. Apparently, the green flash is a sign that a sailor has returned from the dead and only occurs at sunset.

Sunrise and Sunset have, for centuries been symbols of life and death. So the fact that the sailors return from the dead at 'sunset', the symbol for death is significant. Not only that but the riddle describing the Green Flash mentions something about when sunset becomes sunrise. In other words, it IS symbolic, in my opinion, of Jack's re-birth. Beyond that, the same sort of symbolism occurs again in this scene:

THE KRAKEN - - dead, the huge creature sprawled across a long length of beach. Bleached White skin against the black sand.
Past it, the sun sets in a final golden blaze of glory.

ON THE BEACH near the Kraken, the group approaches. Pintel and Ragetti kick, taunt the monster.
PINTEL
Ahh, not so tough now, are you? Stupid fish, serves you right!
Pirates of the Caribbean 3 : script page 32
RAGETTI
(giggles)
Serves you right!
Jack stares into one huge round dead eye. Jack is oddly moved, a sad expression on his face.
JACK SPARROW
Magnificent creature. Such a shame.
WILL
How can you say that? It tried to kill you.
Pintel and Ragetti each picked up a tentacle and are slapping one another.
JACK SPARROW
Still, a magnificent creature.
JACK SPARROW
There aren’t many of the true myths left. And now there’s one less in the world.

Notice the narrator's description. Here we have the Kracken, dead on a beach at SUNSET! The writers don't arbitarily pick the specific time of day unless it means something to the scene. It's symbolic of its death, and also as Jack mentions of the mythical pirate world. I think it a little foreshadowing of what's to come. The script makes small mentions of progress and technology, and I think it's commentary from the writers about how the type of progress that Beckett would promote is destructive to past, or "true myths". Harpoons are a more modern invention, and that was brought about the demise of the Kracken. In other words, the sun is setting on the Pirate world that was filled with myths and lore. (Jack Sparrow must find his place in the new world or perish, anyone?) Also, it's telling that as the myth is dying, Jack is a man who has been reborn, meaning that he WILL find his place eventually.

One more thing. The Kracken was the indirect cause of Jack's death, a rather large, monstrous indirect cause of death. It was Elizabeth who chained him to the mast to make him face his fate. Here we see that Jack is not only willing to forgive the Kracken for its part in his murder, but that he admires it all the more...SOUND FAMILIAR? I'm fairly certain that this scene is also meant to exhibit the differences between Will and Jack's thinking. Will is incapable of seeing how a murderer can be admirable. This will more than likely come into play later when or if Elizabeth confesses herself to him. Meanwhile, if the Kracken is partially symbolic of Elizabeth, then we can glean that Jack has forgiven Elizabeth, despite his words expressing the contrary and that he admires her all the more for it...
Any other thoughts? As always, this is my interpretation. I'm sure there's plenty to glean!

Here's a link to the Swans and Sparrows Site.

Swans and Sparrows

i'm sorry, i'd like to comment, but i'm not good at this kinda stuff. the leaked script has changed a lot. but i know the others have lots more to say then me!

In the leaked script there is a green flash before Jack comes out??

interesting.....very interesting

Yes it did come from the leaked script.

Originally posted by LovelyOne
In the leaked script there is a green flash before Jack comes out??

interesting.....very interesting

i didn't read the whole thing, but along with that, is something about tipping the boat over at the same time of the green flash.

Oh ok thanks 🙂

well thats even MORE interesting..

✅ Interesting Indeed.

But why are you all reading the leaked script? Number one, it may not be correct, and two, you really want to know what happens before you see it? Wasn't part of the fun of seeing DMC was that you didn't know what to expect?

the leaked script has been confirmed real..just that some things may have been changed...the dialogue is supposedly better now though

Maybe when people start a thread they should put "spoilers for AWE" in the title so those of us that like surprises don't stumble upon more riddles like this dead kracken thing.

WE could have an idea on how the movie might begin, but its gonna be better than we expected to be. So we will be surpirse somewhat. POTC never cease to amaze us.

yeah the green flash is in the leaked script i will post it l8er if yall want but i cant b/c im at school and its blocked so will l8er just tell me yay or nay by the time i get home...

yes please..it should be interesting..

THat green flash means something...but I dunno.. I just find it interesting.

what does the riddle say in the leaked script?

i forgot i'd have to look it up, but it said something about when the sun is going down, right when it finally goes down, there's a green flash. but the riddle, i forgot

WILL (CONT'D)
Mister Barbossa On the charts, I was struck by a curious phrase. "Capsized into the mirrored sea, the sunrise sets at the flash of green." Do you care to speculate on that for me?

RAGETTI
Riddles are fun. "Capsized into the mirrored sea, the sunrise sets"
PINTEL
Riddles are not fun! The way it always works is some poor bloke don't understand what it means, and then he ends up dead he realizes no, I wasn't supposed to listen to the singsing of the sirens, I wasn't supposed to take the pot o'gold and make that fourth wish, but by then it's too late and he dies in a horrible and ironical manner, and in this case, you and I be the poor bloke!

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AHA!! ...totally different 😂

also,,,the draft script doesnt say they see a green flash before they get Jack out does it?

ELIZABETH
My heart is troubled for the same reason yours is. If we can rescue Jack, all will Beckett well.
Will doesn't know how to take that. He presumes - - wrongly - - that she is in love with Jack, and hopes to get him back.
WILL
This is a voyage of resolution, then.
Elizabeth nods. Looks out past the rigging - -
- - the ocean before them is a mirror, stars above and below.

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AHAHAHAHAH!! 😂..cant say how happy I am to see this in there^^

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BARBOSSA
Now don't be so unkind, my child after all, ye might not survive the trip these may be the last friendly words you hear
He laughs. The prow of the Hai Pan sticks out into the air and then the entire ship TILT DOWN
Elizabeth screams Barbossa laughs louder all the Pirates scream as the ship plummets down into - -
Pirates of the Caribbean 3 : script page 16
BLACKNESS.
And SILENCE.

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They dont see a flash?? 😕

OMG LMAO..people..dont even take into consideration the dialogue of the leaked script..its nothing like the more final ones the characters do not come across like that...especially a certian Ms Swann

I knew the KttC W/E shippers who said stuff like.."elizabeth is only going back to get Jack because she's guilty for killing a man" were complete BS they were basing those opinions on the leaked draft script..they don't match in with what we saw at the end of DMC at all..

😂 guess you're right. no green flash, but there was the mention of it and i guess i got confused!

yes its when he gets pulled out..found it now 🙂

which I find interesting.