Originally posted by Dessel
lmao, your logic fails. I can just as easily say that Ragnos has been stated to be above Naga Sadow, who's in the same league as Revan, and therefor, Revan is weaker than Ragnos. Seriously dude. 😂
I know 😮 I re-read it and tried to edit it, but it was past the 15 min. mark. But still Revan>Ragnos.
Most of his points are wrong! Sir!
Based on... you telling us that they're wrong?
- Darth Revan is more powerful then Darth Traya and he is in the leagues of Exar Kun and Bane.
I agree. Though it may be thoroughly possible that Revan would fall suseptible to Traya's attacks, though I personally believe otherwise.
- Marka Ragnos was a powerful ancient Sith Lord but that does not means that he was the best of all and was un-defeatable. And evidence shows us that Ragnos was killed by just a single Jedi (Jaden). A very shameful end indeed.
Marka was the most powerful Ancient Sith. And, I agree, it doesn't mean he's the best of all, but he's damn well up there, and Jaden didn't kill him (!)
Originally posted by Escape81
Based on... you telling us that they're wrong?
Originally posted by Escape81
I agree. Though it may be thoroughly possible that Revan would fall suseptible to Traya's attacks, though I personally believe otherwise.
So, Revan must have learned about these powerful Force Drain techniques. And their might be some defence techniques against them.
An Example: Malak also demonstrates Force Drain on Star Forge and Force immunity can counter it.
Originally posted by Escape81
Marka was the most powerful Ancient Sith. And, I agree, it doesn't mean he's the best of all, but he's damn well up there, and Jaden didn't kill him (!)
Anyways! thanks for correcting my mistake.
I think that I already have pointed out wrong points in Darth_Glentract's post.
I think that I have, and so have a few others. But the particular points that you have attempted to argue aren't exactly ironclad.
We know that Revan explored Malachor V before Traya and learned a great deal of knowledge about various Dark Side powers of Ancient Sith from there.So, Revan must have learned about these powerful Force Drain techniques. And their might be some defence techniques against them.
An Example: Malak also demonstrates Force Drain on Star Forge and Force immunity can counter it.
Malak's Force drain is nothing in comparison to Traya's, let alone Nihilus's. The unfortunate thing is that it is an assumption that Revan possesses the same knowledge Traya does, and has mastered the same technique. Highly possible, but an assumption nonetheless. A more farfetched assumption is that Revan can defend himself. Sidious is the only one who I'd wager could do it, but that is because his knowledge of the Dark Side and of the Force exceeds Revan's own. Revan is not a wound in the Force. To assume that he knew techniques to resist it - or was naturally immune to it - is baseless.
Yeah!Anyways! thanks for correcting my mistake.
No problem.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
When did he do anything to Exar?
Originally posted by LightsnakeHe specificaly said marka himself, the quote is "Theres no telling what HE will do". Obviously he studied about ragnos after discovering his symbol
Great, now did he mean Marka or Marka's entire forces, including the entire cult, hence the massive assault? When did he fear Ragnos at all?
And this after he said Marka's powers were unknown
Originally posted by Escape81i would agree with you but only the fallanasi and the yuuzhanvong have a defence to the drain, Luke learnt it from the fallanasi so he too can block itMalak's Force drain is nothing in comparison to Traya's, let alone Nihilus's. The unfortunate thing is that it is an [B]assumption
that Revan possesses the same knowledge Traya does, and has mastered the same technique. Highly possible, but an assumption nonetheless. A more farfetched assumption is that Revan can defend himself. Sidious is the only one who I'd wager could do it, but that is because his knowledge of the Dark Side and of the Force exceeds Revan's own. Revan is not a wound in the Force. To assume that he knew techniques to resist it - or was naturally immune to it - is baseless.[/B]
Originally posted by Kadesh
Well he triggered an avalanche on exar, that was before the amulet though but he did something as a spirit, ragnos couldnt do jack
He specificaly said marka himself, the quote is "Theres no telling what HE will do". Obviously he studied about ragnos after discovering his symbol
. Marka may be an unknown but in the in universe perspective, those who lived during markas reigon knew about him, and its recorded in galactic history, if not how did luke even knew it was his symbol? He knew how powerful and dangerous ragnos is even though ragnos is an unknown in an out of universe perspective
And probably some Jedi and Sith, too
i would agree with you but only the fallanasi and the yuuzhanvong have a defence to the drain, Luke learnt it from the fallanasi so he too can block it
Originally posted by LightsnakeYes and that was after 400 or 600 years doing nothing, some one here mentioned spirits get weak after time, logically if you dont do something for years your skill gets rusty and ragnos didnt do anything for 5000 years yet he was able to get in tavion and do massive damage, imagine what he could do 5000 years before at his peak
Freedon just triggered a release of energy, that's IT
Originally posted by LightsnakeNot exactly fear, i dont know how to say it
this isn't meaning fear. At all
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Originally posted by Lightsnake
And probably some Jedi and Sith, too [/B]
Force shield cannot defend against a super drain because force shield comes from the force itself, it gets consumed by the drain,
Normal drains can be defended and resisted but not drains like nihilus. Only way is the fallanasi looping technique or the yuuzhanvong or being a wound, If his super drain can be countered so easily then no jedi on katarr should have died. They should have made thise "shield" which they can apparantly do
Force drain can seemingly only drain the force out of living beings, just because the force shield is made of the force, doesn't mean it will just get drained, I mean technically everything is made up of the force, doesn't mean that Nihilus would just be able to go and drain solid matter. And none of the jedi on Katarr were as powerful as Nihilus, someone like Sidious who is as powerful should be able to block it with a force shield.