American Beauty

Started by Fawne4 pages

Originally posted by Solo
Hardy ****in' har. Let's do a little comparing:

[b]Magnolia
Great Acting
Great Story
Great Cinematography
Great Writing
Great Directing
Fantastic Score

American Beauty
Kevin Spacey

Not much to compare, in my opinion. I'm sure you like Fight Club more than Magnolia too, yes?

Being John Malkovich is so much better, it isn't funny.

There are more than enough people giving it four star reviews, seriously. It's one of the more overrated films of the past decade. [/B]

what part of us is caring..if you can't deal with opinions become a movie critic

Originally posted by Solo
Hardy ****in' har. Let's do a little comparing:

[b]Magnolia
Great Acting
Great Story
Great Cinematography
Great Writing
Great Directing
Fantastic Score

American Beauty
Kevin Spacey

[/B]

pretty subjective (yes i am being a hypocrite) if you just say "great ----" without backing it up. now i hate to use awards as a barometer but

American Beauty
Oscars won
best picture
best actor
best director
best screenplay
best cinematography

oscars nominated
best actress
best editing
best musical score

Golden globes won
best director
best motion picture
best screenplay

golden globes nominated
best actor
best actress
best musical score

as for magnolia
oscars won
none

oscars nominated
west supporting actor
best screenplay
best musical song (not score)

Golden globes won
best supporting actor

golden globes nominated
best original song

again, this doesn't mean American Beauty's better. It just means everyone thinks it's better.

Originally posted by Fawne
what part of us is caring..if you can't deal with opinions become a movie critic

now now. he's just expressing his opinion too. i happen to disagree with it, but let's not loose perspective over what we're arguing about.

Originally posted by Rapscallion
pretty subjective (yes i am being a hypocrite) if you just say "great ----" without backing it up. now i hate to use awards as a barometer but...

So don't. Stanley Kubrick never won an Oscar in his life. Or a Golden Globe.

Originally posted by Solo
Hardy ****in' har. Let's do a little comparing:

[b]Magnolia
Great Acting
Great Story
Great Cinematography
Great Writing
Great Directing
Fantastic Score

American Beauty
Kevin Spacey

Not much to compare, in my opinion. I'm sure you like Fight Club more than Magnolia too, yes?

Being John Malkovich is so much better, it isn't funny.

There are more than enough people giving it four star reviews, seriously. It's one of the more overrated films of the past decade. [/B]

Well, let me compare:

Magnolia
Great Acting
Great Story
Great Cinematography
Great Writing
Great Directing
Fantastic Score

Fight Club
Edward Norton

Yeah..Fight Club takes it.

Seriously though,. i quite liked the movie, certainly Kevin Spacey had a big role in that liking, but I just generally found the ideas nice..the story...the characters...or something. I didn't have the pleasure of seeing Magnolia, yet, but hearing about it I shall do so rather sooner than later.

And yes, it might be overrated, but it is a good movie. Kinda like the Beatles have no chance of not being overrated while still being an awesome band (just different).

Originally posted by Solo
Hardy ****in' har. Let's do a little comparing:

[b]Magnolia
Great Acting
Great Story
Great Cinematography
Great Writing
Great Directing
Fantastic Score

American Beauty
Kevin Spacey

Not much to compare, in my opinion. I'm sure you like Fight Club more than Magnolia too, yes?[/B]

🙄 You're not biased at all

Originally posted by Rapscallion
pretty subjective (yes i am being a hypocrite) if you just say "great ----" without backing it up. now i hate to use awards as a barometer but

I don't need awards to back up my opinions. Oscars don't mean shit. If you want to post some other awful place, such as IMDB, to show how many people love a movie, please do. I could really care less.

Originally posted by Rapscallion
again, this doesn't mean American Beauty's better. It just means everyone thinks it's better.

Winning a few oscars means everyone thinks it's better? Great.

Originally posted by Strangelove
You're not biased at all

If being biased now means having an opinion, then I sure am.

Originally posted by Solo
If being biased now means having an opinion, then I sure am.
Listing only one asset of the movie that you are arguing against when there are a considerable number of assets you neglect to mention? That's the bias

Originally posted by Solo
I don't need awards to back up my opinions. Oscars don't mean shit. If you want to post some other awful place, such as IMDB, to show how many people love a movie, please do. I could really care less.

Winning a few oscars means everyone thinks it's better? Great.

If being biased now means having an opinion, then I sure am.


you are biased. all of us are. so don't try denying it. some of us are trying to be objective though. try it

Originally posted by Rapscallion
you are biased. all of us are.

I'm not.

Originally posted by Röland
I thought this was a great movie filled with a lot of different meanings and symbols.

I don't know if these are the 7 Meanings you are talking about dirk, but I found these on wikipedia. srug

Spoiler:

- Lester, during his narration, claims to be dead inside long before his physical death. He begins to enter a midlife crisis, slowly exercising some of his real personality and feelings in his life, and finds that he likes being able to express himself again after yielding to Carolyn's personality for so long.

- Carolyn yearns for success and the image thereof, so much that she refuses to acknowledge that she and her husband are having a fundamental disconnect in their marriage. Her image of perfection is so ingrained that she cannot accept the changes Lester wishes to make in his life and in their lives together. She eventually has an affair with a more successful real estate broker, obtains a gun, and acquires self-help tapes, unwilling to admit until Lester's death that her life is unraveling before her eyes.

- Jane's transformation through the film is subtle, but noticeable. She has a cheerful, colorful room, wears makeup and is a member of the cheer-leading squad at her high school, as well as being friends with Angela, a supposedly more beautiful and popular cheerleader. After meeting Ricky Fitts, Jane slowly begins to move away from the 'normal': she wears less and less makeup, challenges Angela's behavior and attitudes, and embraces that which makes her different from others.

- Frank Fitts is a staunch Marine Colonel whose militant attitude and insistence upon discipline and order in his house even includes having his son's urine tested. He has been repressing his homosexuality for many years, denying what he deems to be unnatural about himself, and, after Lester spurns him, he kills the man who rekindled those feelings.

- Barbara Fitts, for reasons unknown throughout the film, seems to have a fundamental disconnect with reality. Whether through the abuse/repression of her husband, a traumatic event from her own past, or the side-effect of some form of medication, Barbara seems to have lost all connection to whatever personality she might have formed growing up. She looks lost and uncertain in all scenes where she appears.

- Ricky Fitts is forced to hide his artistic nature as well as his marijuana dealing due to his father's militaristic rule over the Fitts home. He connects to Jane initially by filming her, learning her name from Lester, and has a tender, shy nature until the end of the film. When Angela confronts Jane about leaving with him, Ricky shows his more forceful nature and defends the girl he loves.

- Angela Hayes, like Carolyn, has adopted a self-confident, haughty and promiscuous exterior to hide her own insecurities. She lies blatantly to fellow students about sleeping with fashion photographers, brags to Jane that men have been ogling her since the age of twelve, and acts the coquette towards Lester, whose attraction to her is obvious. Her sexpot image derails when she admits to Lester that she is a virgin after being told by Ricky that she is 'ordinary', which to her is the worst thing in the world to be. She is wiping the smeared makeup from her face in the bathroom when Lester is killed, which can be viewed as removing the mask she has been wearing all along.

Well I know Buddhism is one of the themes in the film.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I'm not.

there are exceptions to every rule

definatley an amzing film. the whole speech which is summit like "I've been told that the second before you die your whole life flashes before your eyes. i cant remember it atm but that hole speech at the end is one of my fav quotes.

Originally posted by Bardock42

[b]Fight Club

Edward Norton

Yeah..Fight Club takes it.

[/B]

hahahahaha I laughed out loud literally on this one. It's funny because its true.

Did you guys know that the symbolism of the roses was meant to refer to, eh, red...red...red rose gardens and things? True.

PS. Magnolia beats the crap out of Fight Club.

I really enjoyed the movie but I hated how sad it was. 🙁

Just clarifying, the Fight Club thing was just a joke...it did not matter what movie the comparison would have been between. Since I did not see Magnolia and though I did like Fight Club I dion't think i can given a valid statement.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Just clarifying, the Fight Club thing was just a joke...it did not matter what movie the comparison would have been between. Since I did not see Magnolia and though I did like Fight Club I dion't think i can given a valid statement.

"I dion't think i can given a valid statement" - Hahahaha, what happened? Your Babelfish let you down? Ahahahahahahahahaha!

Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
Did you guys know that the symbolism of the roses was meant to refer to, eh, red...red...red rose gardens and things? True.

Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
Your Babelfish let you down?

Hilarious.

... bump...

Still think this is a great movie.

Overrated, maybe, but still great.