Gasp ending

Started by calypso6 pages

I don't know, I can see him being there for the purpose of mar-ri-age, but to do a back story on Jack with Lizzie there, I have to really do a stretch.

It would have to do something with the fact that they are leaving the sea and Jack has a safer life for them somewhere else and has TS confirm it.

I also heard that Keith would also do another shot when his dangles grew out. Maybe I am just too full of POTCDCMAWE and can't find my
--- lite up on Broadway on New Years Eve. This has consumed my waking hours and some of my dreams.

If I owe apologies to LOVELY and Kate...I am sorry. No offense meant.
Just love what ya'll have to say.

no ones buggin lol...just saying I dont know for sure what the ending is..

Lovelyone are you Happy?

yes 🙂

lets map out what we know

1)Teague was supposed to make a cameo
a) A suppose scene with a flashback maybe if its a cameo it could only mean some sort of flash back.

2)The appearance of Teague
a) OK I read that Elizabeth will be meeting Jacks Father. And supposedly Jack/Elizabeth are the ones to see him. Meaning there will be quiet a few Jack/Liz scenes.

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the ONLY thing I have heard about Teague is that he "shows up at the end and threatens everyone" and he is "the only one who can put Jack in his place".

OK Kate I remember reading something like that. If Teague was gong to be the one to put Jack in his place I imagine Teague advising his son if he wants Liz then he should go after her. Somewhere along those lines, advice him like to accept fate and love just somewhere along those lines. Probably is gonna help Jack big time on his decision and probably is gonna have a mayor impact with the Liz/Jack relationship.

I had 2 theories Either was Teague saying leave Liz alone shes a different class from you and you're a pirate you could never have the governor's daughter. But then the part where it says "Put Jack in his place" makes me realize that he could be helping jack in a good way. Maybe helping his son wake up and smell the coffee. Jack thought that he could be a pirate forever, sure he can be by heart, but he needs to find a new place in the new world or perished. Piracy itself its at its end.

EUREKA I think you have something. That's what I have been trying to work out too.

CHICI that was meant for you not RED TWO. And what is that all about?

this ending IMO, is going to have to revolve around Jack if

1. It wants to go out with the ultimate bang
2. If it wants to draw people in for a 4th
3. So it sticks in everyone's memories for a lifetime as one of the ultimate ways to end a trilogy.

IMO its unrealistic to end this on any other character but Jack Sparrow. He is what makes Pirates of the caribbean sell..they want to sell?...end it on something exciting with Jack Sparrow. They know this.

They used Jack as a main cliffhanger in DMC, people are gonna rush to see if he is Ok and if Jack/Liz will end up together.

Movie 4 is a mile off..movie 3 has gotta end on something that is going to KEEP the audience interested in the franchise..because its gonna take a while for movie 4 to come out...ending on Will?? NOT gonna keep people interested.

Yep, pretty much. But, I think 4,5,6 will be prequels about Jack's early adventures leading up to losing the Black Pearl.

nope..I wouldnt think movie 4 was about that..because I think Keira is going to be in it...the ending to movie 3 is supposed to be the cliffhanger for a movie 4...and the way it ends doesnt suggest a prequel for before PotC1..it sugests a prequel for AWE's ending..IMO anyway..

its supposed to be a re-invention..of AWE not a continuation

I dunno about 5,6..I dunno if that is true..I think its just 4 they are doing.

The remark about putting CJS in his place was made by Jerry in an interview posted somewhere in these threads. I orginally thought he meant that Keith Richards could put Johnny in his place, but who knows now with everything they say having a double or triple meaning. Don't you know they are acting like a bunch of politicians in what they say or don't say.

Originally posted by LovelyOne
this ending IMO, is going to have to revolve around Jack if

1. It wants to go out with the ultimate bang
2. If it wants to draw people in for a 4th
3. So it sticks in everyone's memories for a lifetime.

IMO its unrealistic to end this on any other character but Jack Sparrow. He is what makes Pirates of the caribbean sell..they want to sell?...end it on something exciting with Jack Sparrow. They know this.

The used Jack as a main cliffhanger in DMC

1) Go out with an ultimate bang
a) This is something we expect jack Sparrow not to do. I think that the scene where he is with the 2 wenches must be near the end. IMO I think that they come back and kind of want Jack back and Jack is probably going to reject them. Those pics where we see him wrapping his arms around them I bet he gets all flirty then BOOM surprise them with a rejection. Then I could Imagine Liz showing up all of the sudden and wrapping her arm around jacks arm 😄 Making the gonorrhea sisters cry 😛

b) SO THIS IS GOOD NEWS!! Go out with a bang! Its obvious right there. Meaning that Jack is not gonna come back to his old selfish ways. Of course he's still Jack Sparrow, but not the same womanizer, rum loving, selfish pirate!

2. If it wants to draw people in for a 4th
a) Definitely! I think its something similar like POTC 1. There are so many possibilities for and ending I'm talking about right before the credits. It could be that AWE could end like COTBP, singing the precious song liz taught him. But instead of going to the horizon, he could go and sail away to find liz instead of trying to reach the horizon: NOTE : A sparrow always comes back for his soul mate 😄 *sigh*

3. So it sticks in everyone's memories for a lifetime.
a) aa certainly!! Like the kiss! SOmething that will satisfy the audience on seeing jack so optimistic and so in love 😉. Jack is the money maker of POTC, if Jack is happy, the audience are happy. BOOM! raises up the box office and POW! Sinking Titanic 😂 I hope

I cant see how they can make early adventures convincing when Johnny is visbly getting older..its gonna have to be set pretty much after AWE..or at least after the events of AWE.

What is a re-invention of a story? How does that work with LOVELY's theories of plot and character development?

LOL IMO Jack just leaving into the "sunrise?" with 2 whores is NOT gonna be like...the best way to end an awesome trilogy

It doesnt make sense of DMC if that happens..DMC showed us something about Jack for a reason and it should be concluded.

Originally posted by LovelyOne
this ending IMO, is going to have to revolve around Jack if

1. It wants to go out with the ultimate bang
2. If it wants to draw people in for a 4th
3. So it sticks in everyone's memories for a lifetime as one of the ultimate ways to end a trilogy.

IMO its unrealistic to end this on any other character but Jack Sparrow. He is what makes Pirates of the caribbean sell..they want to sell?...end it on something exciting with Jack Sparrow. They know this.

They used Jack as a main cliffhanger in DMC, people are gonna rush to see if he is Ok and if Jack/Liz will end up together.

Movie 4 is a mile off..movie 3 has gotta end on something that is going to KEEP the audience interested in the franchise..because its gonna take a while for movie 4 to come out...ending on Will?? NOT gonna keep people interested.

Well of course!!! cause it wouldnt make sense if the ending revolved around someone else if they arent going to be in number 4....that would just be ridiculous....revolving the ending around Jack Sparrow is a sure bet!!!

Main Entry: re·in·vent
Pronunciation: "rE-&n-'vent
Function: transitive verb
1 : to make as if for the first time something already invented <reinvent the wheel>
2 : to remake or redo completely
3 : to bring into use again
- re·in·ven·tion /-'ven(t)-sh&n/ noun

Terry on a movie's ending:

Here's my iron-clad rule for how a movie should end. (How's that for taking a stance?) A good ending must be decisive, set-up, and inevitable -- but nonetheless unexpected.
This is, of course, not easy to do. Some writers feel that a good, strong opening, the hook, is the toughest thing to come up with. I disagree. A great opening is perhaps the most important section of the screenplay -- it's the part that's actually going to get read! But it's not the hardest. My writing partner, Ted Elliott, can come up with a great set-up in seconds -- but give him a month or so before asking him what comes next!
Act II is a renowned quagmire of story problems. You could argue that it's the toughest Act to plot. But the subject matter itself at least provides material to shape, and gives some direction how to proceed. Act II problems are more often organization problems, not blank-page problems, and they'll ultimately succumb to proper execution of craft.
No, for myself, Act III -- and coming up with that great ending -- is definitely the toughest plotting on a script. It's an Act where you can't get by on just craftsmanship, you really do need to have something that's inspired. It's the payoff Act.
So let's go back to the rule: 'Decisive, set-up, and inevitable -- but nonetheless unexpected.'

1. Decisive.
The most satisfying endings resolve the issues at hand clearly and decisively, one way or the other. Effective endings that are ambiguous are rare -- and a bit of a contradiction in terms.

2. Set-up.
The ending can't come completely out of left-field. It should be one of several known possibilities, or referenced as a possible solution sometime earlier in the film. The ending must appear to evolve naturally out of the elements that are known. You don't want to change the rules at the end of the game -- that's not fair.

3. Inevitable.
Another word for this might be 'appropriate.' You want an ending that is so 'right,' it seems as if it could have turned out no other way -- but only after it's happened! Because it's also got to be --

4. Unexpected.
This is the real trick. The unexpectedness of the ending is the true payoff, the reward for watching the film. It's the element the audience will weigh most heavily when judging the outcome of the story -- whether or not it was 'worth waiting for.'
Unexpectedness is one of the hardest elements to design into an ending. I find it useful to consider which type of question or questions is truly unknown to the audience. In a whodunit, the element that is not known is, well, WHO, and quite often the motive, or WHY. In an action film, you pretty much know WHAT is going to happen -- the hero is going to win -- but you don't know HOW. The HOW, then, is where you get your surprise. Occasionally, answering the WHERE questions can be a surprise -- remember where Hannibal Lector ended up in SILENCE OF THE LAMBS? WHEN questions are tough for endings, as they usually must be set up making the audience superior, which destroys the surprise.
So if you know which answer you're holding back -- the WHO, WHY, WHAT, HOW, or WHERE -- it can be easier to create that all-important unexpected ending. The best to go for is the WHAT question -- as in, truly not knowing 'what will happen' until it happens.

Ideally, the ending of a film is what the whole film has built to, in some fashion or other, all the way from page one. Ted and I still laugh at a screenplay that was submitted to us, where the writer included 'optional up ending' and 'optional down ending.' If the writer wasn't writing to one or the other of those endings throughout the screenplay, how effective could either of those endings be?
And a final note, on those 'down' endings. Writers just starting out often succumb to the temptation of choosing a tragic ending. After all, tragic endings are rare in films, and therefore unexpected. And unexpected is good, right?
Problem is, tragic endings really not all that rare -- there are lots of unproduced spec scripts around with typical bad-script unhappy endings. The result is, usually, an unhappy ending for the writer.

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from that and certain things I know..I can kinda get a pretty good theory for the ending..

Jack raises the problem and also mentions the solution in purgatory In my opinion. And we should see something that clearly relates to it at the end but atthe same time be unexpected..yet make perfect sense. Gonna hush now lol *tiptoes out of thread*

P.S the same thing happened in DMC...cept it was Liz who mentioned the problem and the solution..and so we saw it at the end of DMC it seems.

the second twist, Barbossa was pretty crazy and gasp-worthy but makes perfect sense when you look back at all the little hints in DMC..he also ties in with the plot.