i think it's pretty clear 3PO shits himself a lot...if u're going to say tha'ts part of his programming, then fine, they programmed emotion into him. Still emotion either way.
Didn't 3PO also say it's against his programming to impersonate deities? And yet all it took was Luke to say "just tell them" and he does so willingly....
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Science FICTION stories also follow some logic and are not based on pure fantasies.I recommend you to study a book on subject of "[B]Artifical Intelligence
".Droids can be built and programmed for different purposes. Some types are:
- Protocol Droids: These droids are programmed to help people and provide information.
- Repair Droids: These droids repair damaged items and machines etc.
- Battle Droids: These Droids are built for combat purposes.
I have some questions!
Q1- Have you seen any Droid violating its assigned task?
Q2- Have you seen a Protocol Droid fighting in wars?
Q3- Have you seen a Battle Droid running from battle due to FEAR of being destroyed?
Q4- Have you seen 3PO trying to fight his way out from troubles?
All Droids perform their assigned tasks and thats it. They can respond to threats and human commands and thats it.
Droids are intelligent but that does not means that they actually demonstrate emotions! [/B]
I have some answers for you.
A1 - Yes, R2 disobeyed luke and ran off to try to find OB1, he also lied and said he would show the complete message in order to get the restraining bolt off, then played dumb.
A2 - As I seem to remember, C3PO was in the arena, and perhaps fired a couple shots. And if you want to say it was just his body, the one with his head did the same.
A3 - Yes, 2 or 3 were facing OB1 in the arena and when that green crab looking monster came up, they looked at each other and ran.
A4 - shoot out his way from troubles? whatever, see A2. Does he ever have the means to get a weapon except in ep2?
Dude go watch the movies again...for all our sakes.
Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
I have some answers for you.A1 - Yes, R2 disobeyed luke and ran off to try to find OB1, he also lied and said he would show the complete message in order to get the restraining bolt off, then played dumb.
A2 - As I seem to remember, C3PO was in the arena, and perhaps fired a couple shots. And if you want to say it was just his body, the one with his head did the same.
A3 - Yes, 2 or 3 were facing OB1 in the arena and when that green crab looking monster came up, they looked at each other and ran.
A4 - shoot out his way from troubles? whatever, see A2. Does he ever have the means to get a weapon except in ep2?
Dude go watch the movies again...for all our sakes.
I bet that you might have not heard about the concept of "Localization" in Robotics.
Droids can determine situations in which they are threatened and can respond to them by either retreating from scene or fight the threat.
Is this very hard to understand?
Also, 3PO and R2D2 had worked side by side for a long time to understand each other and develope some sort of connection.
About 3PO in Battle of Geonosis!
3PO's head was fiited on a body of a battle Droid which was Auto-programmed to fight in the battle regardless of a head or not.
And he could not control that body due to his so called "emotions" 🙄
Let me explain you a different case!
In Episode III, when Obi-Wan and Anakin fight against the crew of General Grevious on the Ship Deck. You might have noticed the actions of some special Driods that were experienced in Melee combat.
One of those Droids got its head chopped off by Obi-Wan but the body of that Droid still fought with efficiency against Obi-Wan unless it was struck down too!
This happened due to work of "Sensors" in the that Droid.
Some of you people surely need read book on "Artifical Intelligence"!
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Dude! Droids can interact with their envoirnment through sensors and determine the position of opponents and can analyze their response and then determine their own actions/responses accordingly.I bet that you might have not heard about the concept of "[B]Localization
" in Robotics.Droids can determine situations in which they are threatened and can respond to them by either retreating from scene or fight the threat.
Is this very hard to understand?
Also, 3PO and R2D2 had worked side by side for a long time to understand each other and develope some sort of connection.
About 3PO in Battle of Geonosis!
3PO's head was fiited on a body of a battle Droid which was Auto-programmed to fight in the battle regardless of a head or not.
And he could not control that body due to his so called "emotions" 🙄
Let me explain you a different case!
In Episode III, when Obi-Wan and Anakin fight against the crew of General Grevious on the Ship Deck. You might have noticed the actions of some special Driods that were experienced in Melee combat.
One of those Droids got its head chopped off by Obi-Wan but the body of that Droid still fought with efficiency against Obi-Wan unless it was struck down too!
This happened due to work of "Sensors" in the that Droid.
Some of you people surely need read book on "Artifical Intelligence"! [/B]
you asked questions and i answered them, and if a droid says "uh oh" that implies fear. YOU have to understand that earthly robotics have absolutely NOTHING to do with Star Wars technology. Its just not the same. Lucas has said as much about giving his droids "emotion". You gonna sit there and say 3PO NEVER acted scared or displayed fear? You're a moron if you say no. Why would a droid "hate" flying or believe a starship to be "dreadful"? Last i checked Hate was an emotion and dreadful implies, yet again, a sense of fear, and/or dislike.
Seriously, you're fighting uphill here.
Terminators had AI, no fear, no emotions, nothing like that. he just did the job it was programmed to do. Tell me how the terminator is AT ALL the same as a droid in the SW universe...
Originally posted by PVS
just forget it. in my time at this forum i have come to the realisation long ago
that when someone tries to apply real world concepts to a debate on science fiction,
ESPECIALLY to star wars, its an uphill battle talking sense to them.
...90 degrees uphill mind you
Not true. I've taken academic classes on science fiction. Good science fiction (like all fiction) speaks to the real world. I wrote a 20 page paper, among others, about the parallels between the progression of Cold War militarism in the US and American military science fiction (sub genre) from that time.
Granted, fiction involves the suspesion of some real world concepts (sound in space). However, to deny that fiction is totally outside the realm of realism is not understanding the point of fiction in general.
Originally posted by Alliance
Not true. I've taken academic classes on science fiction. Good science fiction (like all fiction) speaks to the real world. I wrote a 20 page paper, among others, about the parallels between the progression of Cold War militarism in the US and American military science fiction (sub genre) from that time.
that falls within the realm of interesting storytelling. i refer to real world science/physics/technology. dont blend it all together. of coarse some real world concepts need to be applied or star wars would be nothing but 2 hours of a blank screen and no sound.
Originally posted by Alliance
Granted, fiction involves the suspesion of some real world concepts (sound in space). However, to deny that fiction is totally outside the realm of realism is not understanding the point of fiction in general.
no, it implies the selective elimination of real world concepts, as well as selective inclusion.
if anyone would be so obtuse as to deny that r2 and 3p0 experienced emotion (most notably fear and affection, as well as excitement and even humor) and exhibited the free will to disobey direct orders (for example, their order to stay on the ship in ep2 to name one of a few) then i cannot help but laugh at their desperate clinging to their own wishes of whats represented in the films.
may as well tell me that luke's a woman and leia's a wookie because it seems just as ridiculous to me.
im sorry if i dont feel like arguing with someone who denies the most blatant truths of lucas' story.
you can argue that a droids free will is not as defined as that of an organic being, as they are constantly exhibited as being torn between their will and their programming, however to deny what is simply spelled out for us on screen and in dialogue is laughable. they are more than just programmed machines, as lucas had intended. why? because how else could 2 machines as central characters be even remotely interesting and amusing? they are loved because of their human characteristics, most notably their attitudes
They display anger - "gift, what gift? *hits r2*, affection - i believe that r2 nudged up on luke's leg like wickett did to han, fear - just watch 3PO, but more specifically, how bout him screaming as loud as he can when luke simply levitated his chair on endor. R2's little scream he does...there's no way to type it out, but the loud one he does like 4 times in the opening of ROTS and throughout the rest of the saga. Again the 2 droids in AOTC clones, they look up, look at each other, much like humans would do, then they run. 3PO being taken throughout Jabba's palace, "Don't leave me....oooohhhh" Yea, no emotions huh?
If the programming of a droid is in its body, then why give it a head? Didn't 3PO's body with the BD head seem to funtion? Yes, only the BD said its legs were stiff and must need maintenance, so stop it. And if you're so hooked on the "reality" of it, then please explain how 3PO was blind until Anakin simply plugged a light into his face...a sensor wouldn't quite work like that. How can you stop a laser from traveling beyond 3 feet? Have explosions in space? sound in space? blood from a cauterized would? Any number of things you see in SW? IT'S NOT REAL!!!!! To take a page from Ben Affleck's book, "Fictional characters, fic-tion-al characters, am i, am i gettin through to ya at all?"
Accept the fact that in SW, the droids have emotions.
*goes to drink a beer with PVS and drink away the frustrations of this thread*
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Dude! Droids can interact with their envoirnment through sensors and determine the position of opponents and can analyze their response and then determine their own actions/responses accordingly.I bet that you might have not heard about the concept of "[B]Localization
" in Robotics.Droids can determine situations in which they are threatened and can respond to them by either retreating from scene or fight the threat.
Is this very hard to understand?
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Star Wars droids are either dumb or a bunch of cowards:
GG: "Stay at your stations!"
*Obi and Anakin kill bunch of droids*
Blue-headed droid to another: "Run!
*away they run*
...
GG "Dont bother with them. Keep the ship at orbit!"
Droids: "Yes sir!"
Grievous gave them a direct order. Stay at your stations. Apparently droid forgot it within seconds.