Is Speedball responsible for the deaths at Stamford?

Currently, in Civil War: Frontline, Speedball is being held responsible for the destruction and deaths at Stamford, which in turn sparked off the whole Civil War storyline.

I'm interested to hear how much responsibility you all think he should take for what's going on.

Because everyone loves numbered questions:

1. As it all resulted from his teams (the New Warriors) attempts to get better ratings for their TV show, should he be held accountable for Nitro's attack? (I'm under the impression that the rest of the Warriors did not survive to share any blame)

2. Are the people behind MGH (Mutant Growth Hormone) more, less or equally to blame for what happened?

3. Should Atlantis take part of the blame as a member of their ruling house was directly involved in the "incident"?

4. Is the TV company behind the Warriors' show at all responsible for what occurred?

5. Is Speedball just being used as a scapegoat because the US government couldn't bring in Nitro?
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These, and other questions, have been on my mind while reading recent Marvel comics so tell me your opinions..... and add more points if you like.

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Good Points, and all cary some validity. I think he is partly responsible, but not to the extent people are taking it too.

I thin he is partially responsible but so is the TV company which no one has mentioned since CW broke out and yes he is being used as a scapegoat.

Whether or not he is guilty he is still being a dick about it

Seriously, imagine if you had the ability to stop 9/11 from happening and you didn't, thats basically how Speedball should feel rather than just saying, "oh its not my fault"

I agree Grimm. He may not have been the one to blow up the kids but he certainly was responsible for what happened. Like bringing him on manslaughter charges instead of murder

Nitro was wanted right or not????
Speedball didn't know that something like this could happen since nitro never had that much power.

The only thing wrong about it is that they tried to make it some kind of TV show.
I mean with super powers, you have to thing twice before you act IMO.

Originally posted by Scoobless

1. As it all resulted from his teams (the New Warriors) attempts to get better ratings for their TV show, should he be held accountable for Nitro's attack? (I'm under the impression that the rest of the Warriors did not survive to share any blame)

Yes, he should. Proper authorities should have been called.

Originally posted by Scoobless

2. Are the people behind MGH (Mutant Growth Hormone) more, less or equally to blame for what happened?

Yes, supplying known criminals with stuff that makes them stronger is an criminal offense.

Originally posted by Scoobless

3. Should Atlantis take part of the blame as a member of their ruling house was directly involved in the "incident"?

Well, individual actions of citizens of country are not fault of the country, but I guess some sort of official apology should be issued...

Originally posted by Scoobless

4. Is the TV company behind the Warriors' show at all responsible for what occurred?

Sure, I think that hunting criminals without permission is a crime.

Originally posted by Scoobless

5. Is Speedball just being used as a scapegoat because the US government couldn't bring in Nitro?

Nah...he is more like an example of what will happen without Registration, IMO.

Holding Speedball responsible for Stamford equates to holding every super-hero responsible for the deaths caused by every super-villain that they failed to stop.

For example:

Batman should be held accountable for everyone Joker has killed since their first meeting.

DareDevil should be held responsible for everyone Bullseye & the Punisher have killed.

etc, etc ....

If Speedball is convicted for a crime that was the result of the actions of another individual, that he had no control over, then it opens a brand new set of problems for the MU super-hero community.

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Originally posted by Scoobless
Holding Speedball responsible for Stamford equates to holding every super-hero responsible for the deaths caused by every super-villain that they failed to stop.

For example:

Batman should be held accountable for everyone Joker has killed since their first meeting.

DareDevil should be held responsible for everyone Bullseye & the Punisher have killed.

etc, etc ....

If Speedball is convicted for a crime that was the result of the actions of another individual, that he had no control over, then it opens a brand new set of problems for the MU super-hero community.

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No 😐

Batman didn't encourage Joker to kill people

Speedball and the New Warriors recklessly went in and pushed Nitro to attack.

Nitro wouldn't have killed all those kids if Namorita hadn't gone after him

Originally posted by Scoobless

1. As it all resulted from his teams (the New Warriors) attempts to get better ratings for their TV show, should he be held accountable for Nitro's attack? (I'm under the impression that the rest of the Warriors did not survive to share any blame)

Well, yes and no. The fact that the sorta of extra-legal superhero thing is commonplace in the MU does somewhat absolve any responsability he may have had. Up until this point, Speedball had only been rewarded for doing what he did, so in fact, a whole society that supports the actions of superheros is just as responsable as speedball

more directly though, I say no. He didnt kill the kids. Nitro made his own personal descision to blow people up. Nitro is the evil one.

Speedball is just stupid, because he was being encouraged by a seemingly stupid culture of vigilantism.

Originally posted by Scoobless
2. Are the people behind MGH (Mutant Growth Hormone) more, less or equally to blame for what happened?

No

they could possibly be blamed for being indescriminate in who they sold their product to, or for dealing illegal substances anyways, but they didn't kill the kids. Nitro made that choice, independent of what the MGH people said

Originally posted by Scoobless
3. Should Atlantis take part of the blame as a member of their ruling house was directly involved in the "incident"?

Not unless they instructed her to do something.

If i go murder someone, is my mom responsable?

Originally posted by Scoobless
4. Is the TV company behind the Warriors' show at all responsible for what occurred?

maybe, but again, I think this more shows the extension of a society that desired this form of vigilantism. The people who drove the free market and the media wanted to see what Speedball was producing.

The media is only as much to blame as the people who consume it

Originally posted by Scoobless
5. Is Speedball just being used as a scapegoat because the US government couldn't bring in Nitro?

I like that. He probably would be guilty of SOME crime (assult, tresspassing, b&e) but to string him up for the actions of Nitro, c'est terrible

Originally posted by Scoobless
Holding Speedball responsible for Stamford equates to holding every super-hero responsible for the deaths caused by every super-villain that they failed to stop.

For example:

Batman should be held accountable for everyone Joker has killed since their first meeting.

DareDevil should be held responsible for everyone Bullseye & the Punisher have killed.

etc, etc ....

If Speedball is convicted for a crime that was the result of the actions of another individual, that he had no control over, then it opens a brand new set of problems for the MU super-hero community.

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I agree with this 500%

Originally posted by Grimm22
No 😐

Batman didn't encourage Joker to kill people

Neither did the New Warriors

in fact, they were doing what was expected of them to STOP villians in the way people expected them to.

If Nitro hadn't blown up the school, this wouldn't have made a differance, because it would have been buisnuss as usual.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Speedball and the New Warriors recklessly went in and pushed Nitro to attack.

recklessly - what does this matter. Every other hero has done far more reckless things than this. Jeez, how many of them have time traveled? Or done experiments on new forms of whatever that just exploded in their face?

Their actions are only reckless by real world standards. By the standards of the MU, it was totally in line with what was expected and encouraged of the super hero community

Originally posted by Grimm22
Nitro wouldn't have killed all those kids if Namorita hadn't gone after him

that is a logical fallacy. We have no idea what Nitro would have done if Speedball had not attacked him. What if he was planning something 5x bigger than stanford and speedball was the one who stopped it?

we dont know the future, all we know is that, given the situation that Speedball put him in, Nitro killed hundreds of kids. HIS CHOICE.

Originally posted by inamilist
Neither did the New Warriors

in fact, they were doing what was expected of them to STOP villians in the way people expected them to.

If Nitro hadn't blown up the school, this wouldn't have made a differance, because it would have been buisnuss as usual.

recklessly - what does this matter. Every other hero has done far more reckless things than this. Jeez, how many of them have time traveled? Or done experiments on new forms of whatever that just exploded in their face?

Their actions are only reckless by real world standards. By the standards of the MU, it was totally in line with what was expected and encouraged of the super hero community

that is a logical fallacy. We have no idea what Nitro would have done if Speedball had not attacked him. What if he was planning something 5x bigger than stanford and speedball was the one who stopped it?

we dont know the future, all we know is that, given the situation that Speedball put him in, Nitro killed hundreds of kids. HIS CHOICE.

I'm not defending Nitro

However, they only attacked the villains for RATINGS!

Speedball knew there was a school there, he knew these guys were powerful enough to decimate the entire town

He knew and he didn't do anything to prevent the worst possible scenario.

Originally posted by Grimm22
I'm not defending Nitro

However, they only attacked the villains for RATINGS!

Speedball knew there was a school there, he knew these guys were powerful enough to decimate the entire town

He knew and he didn't do anything to prevent the worst possible scenario.

Wrong .

The only person there with the potential to 'destroy the whole town' was Nitro whom was being amped . The rest were B-listers.

Yeah, Nitro usually has the potential to destroy a small house or something. Daredevil has beaten him in the past...so has Spider-Man.

Originally posted by Grimm22
I'm not defending Nitro

However, they only attacked the villains for RATINGS!

Speedball knew there was a school there, he knew these guys were powerful enough to decimate the entire town

He knew and he didn't do anything to prevent the worst possible scenario.

nope, and in the real world, that would be horrendous

but, given the MU, thats pretty normal

People fight in the middle of major metropolotan areas all the time, and they are considerably more powerful than nitro or the new warriors

He was doing what society expected of him

I think Speedball should be held accountable for being so reckless, whereas Nitro should be held accountable for all the people he blew up......

No.
Nitro is, If it wasn't stamford chances are it would of been somewhere else. Seeing as he was amped insanely and he's a wanted criminal.

Originally posted by V for Valentine
No.
Nitro is, If it wasn't stamford chances are it would of been somewhere else. Seeing as he was amped insanely and he's a wanted criminal.

And he took out an entire SHIELD unit that was sent to bring him in

Most important comic storyline in recent years and people would rather talk about a "what if" Wolverine thread..... why am I not surprised?

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Originally posted by Scoobless
Most important comic storyline in recent years