Btw, the fight was a cop out, but not in the way people think it is. It's a cop out because Hulk stopped Juggernaut, but he was powered up (in one way or another). So that Hulk fans can say that Hulk stopped him, and Juggernaut fans can say that it wasn't Hulk's "own" power. Ironically, it arguably was 😉
But still, it was basically your average comic book cop out.
Originally posted by bigbran
I think that was actually how Thor was shown when he was in his comics.He usually gets written completely different when he fights Hulk, than say, when he blows Exitars headcap thing off.
Or when he fights Celestials and such, or when he lifts the weight of the world.
Unfortunately, it wasn't how Hulk was in his comics. Regular Thor can beat Hulk, but certainly not like that. He needs Mjolnir.
Originally posted by Dinalfos
He already did job. He didn't have Mjolnir, though not intentionally. Seriously, the Hulk is more than a match for Thor, physically. This was just plain bad.
And why would Thor need Mjolnir? Maybe he just shoots some serious godblast out of his hands.
Originally posted by Tshern
Soljer is still right. Hulk is match for Thor physically, but Thor's skills give him the edge. Surely you don't think Captain America is a match for Spiderman physically? And the difference between Hulk and Thor is not that large when you scale it. Thor already dodged both Juggernaut and Absorbing man with ease. And as I told, Creel is a helluva fighter and yet he was unable to hit him.And why would Thor need Mjolnir? Maybe he just shoots some serious godblast out of his hands.
Ofcourse, Thor has a skill advantage. Never stated otherwise. However, you don't have a bit of a problem with how things went down in that comic? Thor has shown plenty of physical skill in his fights with Hulk, it's just not enough to beat him in that way. Certainly not with just one arm. He's not THAT good.
Originally posted by Dinalfos
Ofcourse, Thor has a skill advantage. Never stated otherwise. However, you don't have a bit of a problem with how things went down in that comic? Thor has shown plenty of physical skill in his fights with Hulk, it's just not enough to beat him in that way. Certainly not with just one arm. He's not THAT good.
Can we live with that? 😎
Originally posted by Tshern
Using one hand was too much, especially when Ben was there too. But yes, I think Thor has the capability to put Hulk down for the count with his bare fists only. Many people have done that to the Hulk, many who are under Thor's level of power. I don't believe pure skill would grant Thor a victory here though, but I think Thor has this one in the bag too, because of all the magic tricks he's got.Can we live with that? 😎
You were talking about how Thor was finally written as he should be, right? Well, that should go for Hulk as well. Hulk is often used as a tool to offer good physical showings for certain characters. Not always, of course, but very often. You can't just say Thor wins in h2h because you like him more 😉
And I agree wholeheartedly that Thor shouldn't ever lose to Hulk with all the magic tricks up his sleeve. But the fact is, Thor is a stubborn little fella who likes to job.
Originally posted by Dinalfos
You were talking about how Thor was finally written as he should be, right? Well, that should go for Hulk as well. Hulk is often used as a tool to offer good physical showings for certain characters. Not always, of course, but very often. You can't just say Thor wins in h2h because you like him more 😉
Originally posted by Tshern
Okay, using one hand was too much, but still. You don't think Thor should beat Hulk in hand to hand match at least 8/10? C'mon, he's so much more agile and skilled. And he isn't that much behind Hulk in strength and durability.
Nah. Hulk is generally more durable and VERY fast, especially for a guy of his size. What are Thor's skills going to do? Each blow will make him angrier. If this was purely h2h (as shown many times in the past, then Hulk is likely to win on points.
Originally posted by Tshern
Using one hand was too much, especially when Ben was there too. But yes, I think Thor has the capability to put Hulk down for the count with his bare fists only. Many people have done that to the Hulk, many who are under Thor's level of power. I don't believe pure skill would grant Thor a victory here though, but I think Thor has this one in the bag too, because of all the magic tricks he's got.Can we live with that? 😎
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Originally posted by Dinalfos
Nah. Hulk is generally more durable and VERY fast, especially for a guy of his size. What are Thor's skills going to do? Each blow will make him angrier. If this was purely h2h (as shown many times in the past, then Hulk is likely to win on points.
Edit: At least Souja seems to agree with me. Thanks for that, mate.
Originally posted by Tshern
Very fast, yet his fighting speed (in my opinion at least) isn't as good as Thor's. And Hulk wouldn't be able to land a blow on Thor if Thor wanted. Thor dodges a few blows and then suddenly throws Hulk to the Moon. End of the green goliath.
True, his manoeuvrability and agility aren't on Thor's level, but he has supernatural accuracy and timing to make up for that. And throwing Hulk to the moon is NOT gonna happen. Thor needs Mjolnir to gain ultra-super-duper speed. He's fast, no doubt, but not THAT fast. Do you really think Hulk is going to let him do that?
Originally posted by Dinalfos
True, his manoeuvrability and agility aren't on Thor's level, but he has supernatural accuracy and timing to make up for that. And throwing Hulk to the moon is NOT gonna happen. Thor needs Mjolnir to gain ultra-super-duper speed. He's fast, no doubt, but not THAT fast. Do you really think Hulk is going to let him do that?
And what supernatural accuracy are you talking about? Never heard of him having anything like that up to his sleeves. A figure of speech, he doesn't have sleeves at all...
Originally posted by Tshern
How about laying an uppercut to the chin and thus sending him to the orbit? Or is Thor also unable to hit him?And what supernatural accuracy are you talking about? Never heard of him having anything like that up to his sleeves. A figure of speech, he doesn't have sleeves at all...
You're gonna have to do better than just orbit. Make it the sun 😉
Anyway, what stops Hulk from doing the same?
Oh and by supernatural accuracy I mean his ability to catch planes, speeding characters, tank shells etc. clean out of the air. He also has great aim. Check the respect thread.
Originally posted by Dinalfos
You're gonna have to do better than just orbit. Make it the sun 😉Anyway, what stops Hulk from doing the same?
Oh and by supernatural accuracy I mean his ability to catch planes, speeding characters, tank shells etc. clean out of the air. He also has great aim. Check the respect thread.
What stops Hulk from doing the same? Thor himself. He dodges Hulk's punches just like he did already decades ago with Absorbing Man who still used to be a world class boxer. If a world class boxer with Thor's powers and the Juggernaut can't hit Thor when Thor simply wants not to be hit and dodges all he can, why should Hulk be able to land a blow on him?
Originally posted by Tshern
I don't like respect threads that much. They leave out all the average showings and naturally the weaker ones too. Don't get me wrong, I've read through the whole thread a few months back.What stops Hulk from doing the same? Thor himself. He dodges Hulk's punches just like he did already decades ago with Absorbing Man who still used to be a world class boxer. If a world class boxer with Thor's powers and the Juggernaut can't hit Thor when Thor simply wants not to be hit and dodges all he can, why should Hulk be able to land a blow on him?
Sure they do, it's a respect thread. To show a character's high lights. They are an indication of what might be possible. Granted, these are entirely fictional characters who are essentially created and formed by dozens of people with different views, so there's no such thing as 100% fact.
Because there's more to a fight than just punching and kicking, dodging and blocking. And it's not as if Thor can't be hit at all, countless showings have proven just that.
Originally posted by Dinalfos
True, his manoeuvrability and agility aren't on Thor's level, but he has supernatural accuracy and timing to make up for that. And throwing Hulk to the moon is NOT gonna happen. Thor needs Mjolnir to gain ultra-super-duper speed. He's fast, no doubt, but not THAT fast. Do you really think Hulk is going to let him do that?
Thor doesn't need Mjolnir to be fast. Thor has once ran the entire length of New York, and once ran so fast that he was invisible.
Whats the Hulk going to do that countless other foes haven't tried? Thor can out box, outfight, out wrestle, and over power the Hulk at the begging of this fight.
Originally posted by Tshern
I don't like respect threads that much. They leave out all the average showings and naturally the weaker ones too. Don't get me wrong, I've read through the whole thread a few months back.What stops Hulk from doing the same? Thor himself. He dodges Hulk's punches just like he did already decades ago with Absorbing Man who still used to be a world class boxer. If a world class boxer with Thor's powers and the Juggernaut can't hit Thor when Thor simply wants not to be hit and dodges all he can, why should Hulk be able to land a blow on him?
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Originally posted by Soujaboy
Thor doesn't need Mjolnir to be fast. Thor has once ran the entire length of New York, and once ran so fast that he was invisible.Whats the Hulk going to do that countless other foes haven't tried? Thor can out box, outfight, out wrestle, and over power the Hulk at the begging of this fight.
Scans?
He tried that before, remember?