Anyway, now that J/E people have tried and failed, once again, to prove J/E together are so fabulous, when in fact they are kind of gross...
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p72/randomauthoress/scan046resized.jpg
Now that is a kiss. 😄
Also, Norrington is not 15 years older than Elizabeth...he's about 6 or 7. He was 18-19 on the crossing, when Elizabeth was 12. So no, Norrington is not as old as Jack.
Jack is 35 or over, while Norrington is either 29 or 30.
ummmm surreal.. I'm not saying this to ne mean cause I really like u and respect you cause u post ur ideas peacefully but norington is definitely close to jack in the age department...
cause I KNOW this is a fictional world but he couldn't have become luitenant at the age of 19 but I agree jack is a few years older than him but he still has to be a lot older than liz to get a high post such as commodor....
by the way if u notice the color of the wiggs, liz's father has on a brown one in the crossing and he's definitely over thirty there...he only switched wiggs sometime between the two time we see him soooooooo norri (even though he looks REALLY young and HOT if I may add) norri has to be over a certain age to wear a white wigg
Surreal we have only failed to you because our opinion differs from yours..you want "proof" that J/E is fab??
They have been nominated by the public..for the people's choice awards..if they win..then that is evidence enough that J/E is far more popular with the public than W/E ever was and ever will be
so thats you and like a small fraction of other W/E supporters aginst the majority of the public who love J/E and Jack Sparrow because they have been nominated and if they win thats evidence enough that J/E is whats on top..W/E is whats not.
When did W/E ever make it up for nomination?
This means J/E is one of the most popluar things of 2006, it means J/E pairing is a firm public fave..if it wins..heck even better and I hope Disney take that into consideration...but sigh..I feel its too late..they will royally miss the mark if this ends W/E..its like a train wreck waiting to happen in my opinion..I can imagine the sighs of irritation if the public's favorite character actually loses out to the back up character that is Will Turner..he is not what makes this movie sell..people dont go there to watch him win the girl..they go there to watch Jack Sparrow win in the long run..it was a mistake to show J/E developing if its not to end that way..I think it was a HUGE mistake to show Jack Sparrow showing an interest in Elizabeth Swann if its not to end that way...its got the pblic thinking he's going to win the girl..and if he doesnt the film may be slated..
Disney have opened a can of worms with DMC and J/E. if the franchise is not to end that way they are taking a huge gamble IMO
I don't care if J/E are HOT. I want 'proof' that their relationship is something more than a fling. I want proof that Elizabeth has deep enough feelings for Jack that she'd toss Will, whom she risked life and limb to go save in the first and second movie and whom she was going to marry, by the wayside for someone new.
I don't really give a flip how 'hot' Jack and Elizabeth are, and I'm tired of that as the main and basically only argument for them to be together. *shrug* I'm sorry, I'm a person who needs concrete, real evidence rather than emotional.
As for Norrington, no, he could have made leftenant by the time he was 19. It rarely ever happened, but it did happen. If he posted as a middy when he was 12, and worked extremely hard, and then passed the exam when he was 18 or 19, he very easily could have made leftenant.
Wigs also did not denote just age, but rank. All military officers wore wigs in the 1700's (though whether they were actually white as in the movie is up for debate).
Most men wore wigs at that time period as well, so no, age did not play a huge role in when wigs were worn. Disney itself has mentioned that Norrington was quite young when he crossed over. 😄
Hope that clarifies the wig issue for you, tee_pirategirl. And thankies for the compliments. 😄
proof that her feelings are stronger for Jack..lies in the ending of DMC..if AWE is supposed to end in a similar way then it means she realizes her heart lies with Jack AFTER she's done everything for and with Will..Whilst she's pushing what she feels down for Jack and she removes that good man from her life she realises by the end that she may well love him..and she's just killed a good man who she may well love..and she wants to bring that man back to her.
It reveals a part of her that she cant live with..this is obviously the part of her that uses Jack's emotions to his weakness and this destroys what she loves about Jack (good side of him)..its her fault and if she really does love him she may realise here where her heart truly lies.
Will actually spots this and allowes her to do what she feels she should do because he loves her enough
Imagine if this was the end of the franchise? That is the overall feeling
and I refuse to believe that she is shocked at herself for acting like a pirate because that is obviousy not why she is feeling like that. I refuse to believe that is the part of herself she cant live with..I honestly dont believe that in any way shape of form..I have my reasons but I wont say it here because you relay everything back to KttC all the time....She has done something similar to Jack and other people in the past and shown no remorse what so ever. She is the biggest pirate of them all according to T&T and a tiger doesn't change its stripes..
I haven't relayed anything to KTTC, LovelyOne. It's disgraceful that you would accuse me to cover the tracks of someone else on this forum who likes to hide their identity.
And if you don't actually know who it is, shame on you for daring to accuse me of such a thing with absolutely no proof.
At any rate, your interperation of an emotional response has nothing to do with proof. I want to see the real evidence of her wanting to leave Will. You don't have any, I know, because there is nothing there that you could use to prove your ship except for your own interperation, and that may or may not be correct.
Proof, LovelyOne. Give me actual proof.
t and t said that norrington was a similar age to Jack.
i dont know if this has been said, but wig color was based mainly on preference. the style of the wig denoted status.
the only "concrete evidence" i see for Will and Liz is their engagement. Some people argue that they risk their life for each other. Well, in that vein, Will risks his life for Jack. they all risk their lives for each other at various points in the film.
my point is, romance is not based on concrete evidence.
Ok what ever..I've heard things surreal...
And it does have to do with proof...see I find it strange how you keep asking me to proove what I know as fact..
I want you to give me hard proof that Elizabeth is thinking of Will in that last scene..if so how can getting Jack back be in any way for Will? If anything that would effect their relationship all the more
Its for herself and Jack Sparrow no one else but her and Jack..
Originally posted by Surreal_44
I haven't relayed anything to KTTC, LovelyOne. It's disgraceful that you would accuse me to cover the tracks of someone else on this forum who likes to hide their identity.And if you don't actually know who it is, shame on you for daring to accuse me of such a thing with absolutely no proof.
At any rate, your interperation of an emotional response has nothing to do with proof. I want to see the real evidence of her wanting to leave Will. You don't have any, I know, because there is nothing there that you could use to prove your ship except for your own interperation, and that may or may not be correct.
Proof, LovelyOne. Give me actual proof.
I wouldn't call it "emotional response" Surreal, It was what was projected in DMC, lovely wasn't the only one that caught this, a million other people did as well. To tell you the truth when I first watched COTBP I really liked the W/E pairing. I mean It was a regular Disney movie what else could we expect? But when I saw DMC my whole perspective change. It was meant to be this way, and only a portion of the W/E people disagree because they are so blind with the W/E thing, that they just cant open their minds to other possibilities. The J/E thing is a bigger phenomenon than the W/E and you all know it, but yet are refusing to accept it.
There is a large emphasis on Jack the GOOD MAN being dead and gone in that scene
and there is the point made that she cant bring herself to drink the drink twice.
It smells like Jack . Rum is what he tastes, and smells like..Its also the thing she betrayed him with in movie 1 by using his weakness against him there too.
Its also a way for her to forget about Jack and move on in life..and she refuses to drink both times..
There is enough proof of the J/E emotions, the small portion of the WE shippers are refusing to see it. It would be worthless to try to go all over the things that clearly suggest that Jack feels something for Liz and vice versa. They are never going to see it, AWE could probably end with J/E and still they would be unable to accept it.
i think for me its essentially that Jack and Elizabeth present excitement, interest. Look at the situations they find themselves in. Saving each others lives after falling off a cliff. Stranded on a deserted island together. Searching for a mythical heart together. A chain up on a doomed ship after a hot kiss. I mean, come on. Intense, exciting scenerios. Characters who vacilate between hate and passion. Characters who are almost in a competition of piracy with each other. We know the old "boy meets girl" story. It's been done.
