Originally posted by Djinn
omg, here is a making of, (it was posted on another threat), LOOK at jack and liz at about 5:30! what a look! very short but soo hot....there´s hope....😄
OMG..OMG...OMG... I saw it...@ 5:30 there is a great Sparrabeth moment....and if you notice at 5:25..it's when Liz sees Jack for the first time in Purgatory and she is estatic...her true feelings show and then all of a sudden she remembers Will and looks back hoping he won't notice how happy she was to see Jack....Sparrabeth forever, my friends...only one week until the Disneyland Premiere....OMG>>>
The dolls and the making of feature have really upped my love for sparrabeth. Listen to me, fellow sparrabethers, something really caught my attention in the making of.
I don't know what time it's on, but it's when they show our heroes finding Jack. Somebody already pointed out that she looks thrilled to see him, but what happens directly after makes all the difference. She suddenly looks guilty and glances back at Will!
Okay, if you were going after a friend, which is what even Willabethers will admit Jack and Liz are, of course you'd be happy to see them. So Liz shouldn't be ashamed of the fact she's happy to see Jack. But she is. So seeing him has to stir feelings that she feels are shameful, such as infatuation/possibly love for a man who's not her fiance. If they're trying to sweep J/E under the rug, they're not doing a good job.
Originally posted by willofthewisp
Glad I didn't buy the novelization. It seems like it's leaving a lot out.
Like most of the film, or at least the parts that are most crucial to an understanding of Jack's character, for instance. It concealed more than it revealed, let's put it that way. Like the opening of the movie for instance...
But your friend has very good eyes! I suppose you caught the 'distressing damsel...err....damsel in distress' freudian slip as well? Clearly, purgatory hasn't resolved anything for Jack, but he's making an effort to pretend as though it has.
Was it you on the spoilers thread that was asking about symbolism in relation to Singapore?
The whole concept of Singapore could be viewed as being symbolic for the J/E relationship if you think about it. He frees her of her corset, or the constraints of society and says: Clearly you have never been to Singapore.
His freeing her of the corset symbolizes his freeing her to fulfill her destiny as the Pirate Lord of Singpore so that she becomes the pirate he predicts she can be.
Here are the Jack and Liz dolls in the same package.
The "distressing damsel/damsel in distress" was priceless, but I don't think I posted it on this thread. Must have been someone else. I might have asked about the symbolism of Singaore. What was going on over there history-wise?
Originally posted by willofthewisp
http://www.target.com/gp/detail.html/ref=br_1_9/601-9142810-7165759?ie=UTF8&frombrowse=1&asin=B000M8GZI6Here are the Jack and Liz dolls in the same package.
The "distressing damsel/damsel in distress" was priceless, but I don't think I posted it on this thread. Must have been someone else. I might have asked about the symbolism of Singaore. What was going on over there history-wise?
Good question!
What's interesting about China during the time period and for much of the Imperialist/Colonial period is that it was a country that was ruined for the sake of the Opium and silk trade. It was a feudal nation run by lords who were seduced by colonial trade. The result is that the country was ravished by war for years and years.
So it's interesting to see the way the writers have written Singapore and the role of Sao Feng. The feudal lords really were 'for sale' to the highest bidder at the time. All of the colonial nations: France, England, the Dutch wanted their hands on China. I think it was England who through some questionable dealing finally managed to win China. Heh, sorry....it's a more you know moment.....
Back to Sparrabeth.....
If you think about it logically, why would they sell the dolls together? What possible purpose would it serve unless it went along with the movie? They would make more money selling them as separate entities UNLESS they knew that the dolls would sell well together because the movie matched what they were selling...it's marketing 101.
Originally posted by willofthewisp
Especially since it says "Is it love or hate between Jack Sparrow and Elizabeth Swann?" I can't remember the rest, but that in itself got me excited.
Ha, that's actually all there is on the back of the box, but does anything else really need to be said? We're all pretty sure they don't hate between them. They have to pretend to hate each other because it covers up how much they really do care.
There are other things that I'm noticing that are not necessarily pertaining to Sparrabeth directly, but still add to it. Such as the inclusion of Jack's backstory, in addition to his father's presence. Why go to the trouble to make Jack a sympathetic character? It's not for the audience. Most of the audience knows that he's a good man already. So it must serve the purpose of revealing the good man Jack Sparrow is for the benefit of other characters (mainly Elizabeth, but Will to a certain extent as well.)
True, he's not a natural pirate like Barbossa. If Barbossa is the standard pirate then Jack is more misunderstood than misanthropic.
Jack was not a pirate until he was branded one by Beckett.
There will be other moments too not in the book or in the script, but logical if you think about the course of the story.