Apoc is a cheap character. The X-writers are a joke.
As they went along, they added powers to him. And, compared to a ton of others in the MU, Apoc's ar mid-level.
As I always say, I wish the X-titles will just split off into their own universe and comic line.
Everytime an X-character or storyline crosses over with a non-X, it turns the non-X to crap. They ignore power-levels, profiles, continuity and feats, just so they can keep the X-fanboys happy, and keep sales up.
Even High Evolutionary, whom was mentioned above, has been powered down for most of his marvel history. In the beginning, he really was something serious, bordering on Skyfather with his own, home made pantheon of gods.
With the artifacts, magics, physical ability and experience that Loki has available to him, logic says that Apoc should have no chance.
And, as far as experience goes, which one would have more experience?
The guy that has been on earth as a mutant with celestial tech, and almost no opposition equal to him?
or
A God that belongs to a pantheon of combative War-Gods, living in a realm of demons, monsters, evil Gods, mystic races and races waging war on the gods from all over the universe?
Um... anybody having trouble answering this?
Originally posted by Horrificus
With the artifacts, magics, physical ability and experience that Loki has available to him, logic says that Apoc should have no chance.
No, not actully. Apocalypse powers offers him easily to stand against someone like Loki.
He has celestial tech, his phyisical abilites goes above Loki and on paper what his abilities are, they could write him as a beast and to crush someone like Loki.
That is why Loki couldn't handle him.
Originally posted by Xplosive
No, not actully. Apocalypse powers offers him easily to stand against someone like Loki.
He has celestial tech, his phyisical abilites goes above Loki and on paper what his abilities are, they could write him as a beast and to crush someone like Loki.
That is why Loki couldn't handle him.
The reason you are saying that, is because you seem to be stuck on the low showings of Loki.
We aren't talking about "Scampering, Hiding, Giggling" Loki, as ome of the idiot writers like to depict him.
We are talking about the loki that has h2h on a par with Thor. The Loki that is super-intelligent, in the way that has had him become a danger to Odin, Doctor Doom, Demons and Celestials.
The Loki that is able to use devastating magics and artifacts. Remember, we are utilizing Loki here, at his "Best".
Apoc is strong. He has power. He is brilliant. He has experience. He has access to SOME Celestial tech. a very small amount, otherwise there would be almost no opposition to him.
He is far from the threat that X-fans like to make him out to be. As a matter of fact, there are at least 2 dozen earthbound villains that I would put above him. Including villains from the X-titles.
I am not even going to touch on characters like Doctor Doom, that I KNOW would be able to somehow defeat Apoc.
In Battle, these are Villains that can defeat Apocalypse:
Graviton
Count Nefaria
Nefarius (if he is still alive)
Absorbing Man
Maelstrom
Ultron
Ultimo
The Master
Ghaur
Man Beast
Mauvais
Magus
Need I go on?
Originally posted by Horrificus
I am not even going to touch on characters like Doctor Doom, that I KNOW would be able to somehow defeat Apoc.
In Battle, these are Villains that can defeat Apocalypse:Graviton
Count Nefaria
Nefarius (if he is still alive)
Absorbing Man
Maelstrom
Ultron
Ultimo
The Master
Ghaur
Man Beast
Mauvais
MagusNeed I go on?
And obviously Apocalypse could also defeat them.
I hope you are fooling around.
Because, some of my list are no-brainers.
Maelstrom
Ghaur
Man-Beast
Magus
you are saying he can beat these guys? Are you nuts? You need to check out their profiles and histories before making a statement like that.
These guys have been "Universal Threats", and are from right here.
Originally posted by Horrificus
I hope you are fooling around.Because, some of my list are no-brainers.
Maelstrom
Ghaur
Man-Beast
Magusyou are saying he can beat these guys? Are you nuts? You need to check out their profiles and histories before making a statement like that.
These guys have been "Universal Threats", and are from right here.
Originally posted by Horrificus
Maelstrom
Ghaur
Man-Beast
Magus
Ok, he wouldn' take those down. It is really annoying also when some like Doctor Doom, ****ing pitiful human who could get beaten in a fight literally by some street figther (without his fukcing armor) and to be such threat as he is.
There are much stronger normal humans (naturally) than he is.
And he the greatest threat of all humans, like there is only one human. Why don't they write more humans like that, to be threat like that.
I mean, world is full of them, there are surely even some humans to be probably even smarter than Doom, but they always stick with ****ing Doom.
Originally posted by juggernaut66666
This guy thinks Phoenix is above LT. That might explain something. 😐
You know, it is really bothering when you are mentioning always the same thing like parrot.
Could you please stop with that, ok.
If you don't agree you don't agree, but you really can't bring always that up, ok.
Originally posted by Xplosive
Ok, he wouldn' take those down. It is really annoying also when some like Doctor Doom, ****ing pitiful human who could get beaten in a fight literally by some street figther (without his fukcing armor) and to be such threat as he is.
There are much stronger normal humans (naturally) than he is.
And he the greatest threat of all humans, like there is only one human. Why don't they write more humans like that, to be threat like that.
I mean, world is full of them, there are surely even some humans to be probably even smarter than Doom, but they always stick with ****ing Doom.
You know, it is really bothering when you are mentioning always the same thing like parrot.
Could you please stop with that, ok.
If you don't agree you don't agree, but you really can't bring always that up, ok.
A is being beaten, BUT from somewhere, (deep within, a latent power, a genetic trigger or they are somehow, out of all of the universe, chosen to be the new body for a cosmic deity) they suddenly get much more powerful, and are able to beat B. No thought or strategy to it. They just pull a bunch of power out of their arses. Terrible.
With Doom, he thinks and plans his way into a "win". Very cool.
Originally posted by Xplosive
They didn't fight in AoA. The fought in 616. Apocalypse was actully having an upper hand, Loki then escaped.
Non-jobber Apocalypse takes this.
Hmm i was pretty sure that they also had a fight in AoA, but i cant find that damn issue or some scans to check that out, but from what I heard Loki throw him a magic-beam but Apocalypse managed to resist it, afterwards he trapped him for w/e reason... but I cant confirm this 🙁
Originally posted by Horrificus
But, come on! It is kind of cool that Doom's mind works in such a way that he is that dangerous.
For me it isn't. Normal human to be such a threat, sometimes even on cosmic scale. You know what that mean, that if they would write more like that, to write more humans to be like Dr. Doom, and if they would work together, they could take such beings as Thanos down.
It just can't work that way.
I never liked Doom to be written like that. Mutants are said to be next step in evolution, considering what Doom is, it seems like mutants aren't even that much of ahead of Doom, and remember Dr. Strange.
All humans then could become also some magicians (some weak, some powerful), so mutants aren't even ahead of humans, if you think that way.
Dr. Doom is written just too good.
I mean, I wouldn't be surprised, if Doom would take Apocalypse down, of course not, but how can someone like Doom take him down. Yes, he wouldn't go toe to toe battle with Apocalypse, but still, it is just bad.
And in mind he is also not ahead of Apocalypse + consider vast Apocalypse experience.
Apocalypse is just maby written as crappiest character ever in Marvel as what he should be actully and was intended to be at the beggining.
Originally posted by bigbranLoki.
SS v1 #4. It was in the same one where Loki powers up Surfer to fight Thor.
Scans.http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Silver_Surfer_v1_004p013.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Silver_Surfer_v1_004p014.jpg
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http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Silver_Surfer_v1_004p017.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Silver_Surfer_v1_004p019.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Silver_Surfer_v1_004p020.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Silver_Surfer_v1_004p021.jpg
Loki was looking for someone to fight Thor, and he searched quite a few, and picked out Surfer. He just wanted to test his powers here.
There, I'm going to bed.
