Wow...
Well, personally, I give it to Loki 6-7/10. Loki is a powerful sorcerer in his own right and that's the only edge he has over Apocalypse. Physically Apoc would crush Loki, but that's not Loki's game anyway.
As a side note, whether or not it's stated on panel that Apocalypse draws energy from external sources or internally is really of no consequence. There's been no limit shown for the energy he can output. It's a non-point. It doesn't demote his abilities in the slightest.
Originally posted by illadelph12Well, personally, I give it to Loki 6-7/10. Loki is a powerful sorcerer in his own right and that's the only edge he has over Apocalypse. Physically Apoc would crush Loki, but that's not Loki's game anyway.
yes, but Apocalypse is also a millennia old super-schemer...
...who will crush your head if you get too close. Apocalypse can also stay in the shadows and manipulate people while laughing maniacally. But he doesn't have any problem with the scrap either. I think his vast power and super-technological knowledge removes the 'edge' Loki's magic may give him, leaving the battlefield with two super smart, super schemers with one over-powering the other.
Apocalypse for the win.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Loki and Apocalypse's fight proves one thing. Celestial tech can stop magic. Which gives Apoc the edge. Hell, Apocalypse dominated Loki throughout their fight, and there's no proof Loki can resist TP/TK.
Wow, you possess a deluded and twisted interpretation of the comic
Apoc ambushed Loki and was still only to briefly stop him. That doesn't equate to stopping magic, especially considering Loki casually released himself from the tech.
Hop of Apoc's sack for a moment an reread the comic. The only thing Apoc accomplished is knocking Loki down and ambushing him with tech. The use of the tech alone is a obvious indication that Apoc felt he wasn't powerful enough to deal with Loki himself. That and Caliban basically told us all that Loki was more powerful than them both.
Loki ftw
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
😒 and you'd trust Caliban's observation, right after Apocalypse corrected him and said Loki was a liar? Not to mention that Loki fled from that fight cause he knew he couldn't win?
More twisted interpretations.
He don't correct Caliban's analysis at all. In fact he agreed with the assessment that "their kind" must become stronger to oppose the gods.
Loki:"Your humans will not survive long enough to challenge the gods Apocalypse. And you. So proud of your own wisdom are a fool"
Loki:"Dare to oppose me... or my plans... and you will join your human race in death."
Caliban:"He shattered the screen"
Caliban:"Master he is powerful... and a god. If he chooses to destroy US how can humanity stand against him?
Apoc: "Much of what he says are lies but his hostility towards mankind is genuine.
Apoc: "And he is not alone in his hatred of our kind"
Apoc: "Humanity must grow strong and quickly Caliban"
Loki fled the fight because he was tired of the discussion. 😐
Uh, I'm historically one of the more reading comprehension proficient members of the board and it's obvious that Apocalypse was not speaking of himself in that context, Airness. He was speaking on how humanity needs to progress and he has always spoken as himself being the stimuli to bring about this growth.
Respectfully, I don't agree with your assessment of the context and meaning of the dialog.
Originally posted by His Airness
[B]More twisted interpretations.He don't correct Caliban's analysis at all. In fact he agreed with the assessment that "their kind" must become stronger to oppose the gods.
Nooo.... He said they must become stronger to oppose the other (UN-revealed) foes who also hate them. Apocalypse DID NOT say that they were all gods:
Originally posted by His Airness Apoc: "Much of what he says are lies but his hostility towards mankind is genuine.Apoc: "And he is not alone in his hatred of our kind"
Apoc: "Humanity must grow strong and quickly Caliban"
Stop it with the twisted interpretations, you.
Caliban was just scared of Loki because Loki threaten Apocalypse that he would join the human race in it's destruction if he would dare to oppose him, Caliban (Who is a significantly weaker being than Apocalypse) believed so. But Apocalypse responded back, correcting him by stating that what Loki says are lies, in other words, Apocalypse did not believe Loki could destroy him, however, he did believe that Loki is a threat to humanity.
Strange that if Apocalypse wouldn't be powerful enough to fight Loki, why was he saying that he would oppose Loki whenever he could in other panels? Not to mention that he actually compared himself to Loki in this scene:
Apocalypse: "No wonder the humans have ceased to worship you, Loki! How little you understand the human heart! Humans are not immortal...and have little enough time to accomplish their own goals. Humans are not the weaklings you take them for. Each, be he hero or villain, is dying from the day he is born. Each breath...each effort...is an act of courage against inevitable doom...such courage we immortals only dream of".
Originally posted by illadelph12
Uh, I'm historically one of the more reading comprehension proficient members of the board and it's obvious that Apocalypse was not speaking of himself in that context, Airness. He was speaking on how humanity needs to progress and he has always spoken as himself being the stimuli to bring about this growth.Respectfully, I don't agree with your assessment of the context and meaning of the dialog.
Fair enough, but I also don't believe Apoc was "dominating" Loki to the point where he was running scared. In fact I don't believe Apoc had the upper hand at all.
