saddest moment in a video game

Originally posted by JToTheP
Eva was a two-timing whore of a double agent, plain and true, ally or not she was after nothing but the Philosopher's Legacy, and kissed Big Boss at the end knowing it would knock him unconcious. Now a more interesting fact would be a kid popped up in Portable Ops, since it was the 60's, I doubt condoms were priority or even arond.

It may be a game, but it's brought to life by voice-actors giving it a second level of realness, when the characters feel pain or anger the voice actor expresses it. So you saying that was pointless.

That's also why you don't kill every guard you see in Metal Gear unless you're ****in around? I also try to take every boss out by stamina meter on my second, or third runs through the game, so I can try for 0 kills, minus Volgin.

The Boss died for her country, and got her wish: That snake/Big Boss would surpass her.

Volgin was a fool and oblovious that The Boss would double-cross him.

The Shagohod is a ****in machine, that HAS to be controlled by someone, HOW could it be the enemy?

See, by saying Raiden is much better is ignorant, he was a whiney pretty boy, and put a damper on the view of nice guys in video games.

Blax is right, that's what YOU do, not me! And LOL! The game is ****ing called Metal Gear Solid because the Metal Gear's are the threats! The Shagohood is the same as the Metal Gear, same idea at least! Volgin is the one behind the threat, all the game is about destroying it and Volgin, EVA is by no means the REAL enemy, damn the philosophers legacy was never in Snake's original mission!

And no, I never said Raiden was a better character than her, I said he was better than MOST! And he was delivered well, as he was supposed to be, I think he's good!
I don't see how everyone only sees him as a whiny pretty boy? He questions why he is sent out on this mission, why they kill people just to SUPPORT his inflitration, and that he cannot trust anyone. I would see most people cry or give up in that situation!

Originally posted by kamikz
Blax is right, that's what YOU do, not me! And LOL! The game is ****ing called Metal Gear Solid because the Metal Gear's are the threats! The Shagohood is the same as the Metal Gear, same idea at least! Volgin is the one behind the threat, all the game is about destroying it and Volgin, EVA is by no means the REAL enemy, damn the philosophers legacy was never in Snake's original mission!

And no, I never said Raiden was a better character than her, I said he was better than MOST! And he was delivered well, as he was supposed to be, I think he's good!
I don't see how everyone only sees him as a whiny pretty boy? He questions why he is sent out on this mission, why they kill people just to SUPPORT his inflitration, and that he cannot trust anyone. I would see most people cry or give up in that situation!

Just because the philosopher's legacy wasn't in snake's mission doesn't mean he didn't have it at the end, smartass.

If you're so confident in you're being correct, why don't you go to the gamefaqs Plot Analysis which has been my reference for the past year.

Raiden was delivered like shit, just like how MGS2's plot was executed. Maybe because he LOOKS like a woman, minus the breasts? If I wanted to hear an emotional person, I'd of ASKED for one, if I want someone to do Tactical Espionage I'll ask for someone to do it correctly like Big Boss or Snake.

Hell, if I want to play as an emotional person, I'll play The Sims where I expect as such.

Raiden is going to become overrated by the time MGS4 comes out due to his slew of fanboys.

EVA was by no means the REAL enemy, she was just an enemy like everyone else, nothing indicates she was more of an enemy than Volgin, she was not, Volgin posed a threat that would end the cold war and start a new world war, EVA threatened to take the philosophers legacy to China, you do the math!

And for **** sake, can't you ever bare with change? Does sneaking suddenly have to mean there is no room for emotions? WTF, this is the most illogical thing I've heard, if you don't want emotions then WTF are you bitching about when judging Blax for not caring about the Boss? Raiden was supposed to be seen as new to the battlefield, AND HE WAS! If you ask most hardcore MGS fans (MGS TUS) then they will say MGS 2 had the best plot line, and that Raiden was a good character indeed. It is YOUR goddamn opinion if you hate him, but don't say he was delivered bad, and was a bad character, because frankly, nothing aims towards that, he was delivered as he was supposed to be......

And I'll repeat, why does every main character have to be badass and all that? Raiden was supposed to be a "beautiful man", being someone that women can relate to as well when playing MGS 2. Stop whining about that!

Wow. Too much Raiden hatred. I read the GameFAQs plot analysis. It was a fun and interesting read. I side with Kamikz here. Raiden was something new kojima wanted to try. Japanese are into gay homosexual crap, so he gave Japanese gay homosexual protagonists. Look at the X-box...we're the US we mean nothing to them. Besides Snake(or some variation of him AKA Big Boss) is once again the protagonist of every Metal Gear game out there, why still hate on Raiden? I find it cool that this time around Raiden will be lending Snake a hand just like Snake did in Sons of Liberty. He could use the ****ing help, don't you think?

Originally posted by kamikz
EVA was by no means the REAL enemy, she was just an enemy like everyone else, nothing indicates she was more of an enemy than Volgin, she was not, Volgin posed a threat that would end the cold war and start a new world war, EVA threatened to take the philosophers legacy to China, you do the math!

And for **** sake, can't you ever bare with change? Does sneaking suddenly have to mean there is no room for emotions? WTF, this is the most illogical thing I've heard, if you don't want emotions then WTF are you bitching about when judging Blax for not caring about the Boss? Raiden was supposed to be seen as new to the battlefield, AND HE WAS! If you ask most hardcore MGS fans (MGS TUS) then they will say MGS 2 had the best plot line, and that Raiden was a good character indeed. It is YOUR goddamn opinion if you hate him, but don't say he was delivered bad, and was a bad character, because frankly, nothing aims towards that, he was delivered as he was supposed to be......

And I'll repeat, why does every main character have to be badass and all that? Raiden was supposed to be a "beautiful man", being someone that women can relate to as well when playing MGS 2. Stop whining about that!

I already said she was a double agent, she was an agent for China, as explains the gamefaqs Plot Analysis.

Who the hell is Blax? And if I didn't care about emotion, I wouldn't think MGS3 is the best entry in the series.

I don't care what most hardcore MGS fans say, of course they say 2 is the best in the series, FF fanboys/girls also say 7 is the best entry in that series and that is bullshit too. IN.MY.OPINION.BETTER ADD THAT!

If it's my OPINION that I hate him, PART of my OPINION can be that he was a bad character and delivered like shit. Why don't you think about that?

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
Wow. Too much Raiden hatred. I read the GameFAQs plot analysis. It was a fun and interesting read. I side with Kamikz here. Raiden was something new kojima wanted to try. Japanese are into gay homosexual crap, so he gave Japanese gay homosexual protagonists. Look at the X-box...we're the US we mean nothing to them. Besides Snake(or some variation of him AKA Big Boss) is once again the protagonist of every Metal Gear game out there, why still hate on Raiden? I find it cool that this time around Raiden will be lending Snake a hand just like Snake did in Sons of Liberty. He could use the ****ing help, don't you think?

They are trying to make Raiden like GrayFox, which is a terrible mistake, they are just trying to expand Raiden's uniqueness further. He was a new, EMOTIONAL girly man in 2, and now he thinks he's Grayfox.

Originally posted by JToTheP
I already said she was a double agent, she was an agent for China, as explains the gamefaqs Plot Analysis.

Who the hell is Blax? And if I didn't care about emotion, I wouldn't think MGS3 is the best entry in the series.

I don't care what most hardcore MGS fans say, of course they say 2 is the best in the series, FF fanboys/girls also say 7 is the best entry in that series and that is bullshit too. IN.MY.OPINION.BETTER ADD THAT!

If it's my OPINION that I hate him, PART of my OPINION can be that he was a bad character and delivered like shit. Why don't you think about that?

I'm Blax, and if IT'S,YOUR.OPINION. then SAY SO, dont try to pass it off as fact and common knowledge. A lot of people don't agree with you on this forum, obviously. So cut it out.

Originally posted by JToTheP
I already said she was a double agent, she was an agent for China, as explains the gamefaqs Plot Analysis.

Who the hell is Blax? And if I didn't care about emotion, I wouldn't think MGS3 is the best entry in the series.

I don't care what most hardcore MGS fans say, of course they say 2 is the best in the series, FF fanboys/girls also say 7 is the best entry in that series and that is bullshit too. IN.MY.OPINION.BETTER ADD THAT!

If it's my OPINION that I hate him, PART of my OPINION can be that he was a bad character and delivered like shit. Why don't you think about that?

They are trying to make Raiden like GrayFox, which is a terrible mistake, they are just trying to expand Raiden's uniqueness further. He was a new, EMOTIONAL girly man in 2, and now he thinks he's Grayfox.

Blax is totally right, you spell it out like it's common knowledge that Raiden sucks, when Blax said he didn't care about the Boss you go throw stuff out like "I bet you were bla bla bla when Raiden balblabla" like everyone would think he is an *******!

And you didn't answere to any of the posts point, so your out!

STEEEERIKE 3!!!!

By no means the saddest, but when the Deku tree dies in Zelda Ocarina of Time is a bit sad, mind you have to question the richness of his life anyway

Originally posted by kamikz
Blax is totally right, you spell it out like it's common knowledge that Raiden sucks, when Blax said he didn't care about the Boss you go throw stuff out like "I bet you were bla bla bla when Raiden balblabla" like everyone would think he is an *******!

And you didn't answere to any of the posts point, so your out!

Because that was mature and made any sense what so ever.

So considering all you did was ramble like a child, I think this debate is over.

???????? Yes, more mature then trying to say what other people should think!

Actually, since you couldn't refute a single point anyway and only dragged up irrelevant answeres, this debate is over!

Wow, you're just a bit foolish. Once again, it's ANSWERS.

Anyway to the thread: The ending of Resident Evil 3 was pretty surprising and sad, launching a ****in atomic bomb on the city was pretty crazy to me. Though, it had to be done.

WTF is this shit? Cut it out, shut up, and stick to the topic. This entire THREAD is based on people's opinions so I wouldn't think someone should have to say "in my opinion" after every post.

Sorry Lana!

I know you don't have to spell out your opinion with words here, but flaming someone for stating theirs and calling it wrong ain't exactly stating his opinion, or at least that's what it seemed like, and that made it hard to define what actually was his opinion, since he seemed to tell everyone how things were! But I'm no better, so I'll stop here! Sorry JToTheP....

On topic, I get sad watching the trailer on MGS 4, that'll probably be the most emotional MGS game yet!

!!...I want to say it's my opinion and there's nothing you can do about it! HAH!

Besides I think it's important to state wheather it's an opinion or a fact what people are talking about. Some tend to state their opinions as if they were facts.

i have to agree with JToTheP on the EVA point though, the Philosophers

Spoiler:
or in america, the Patriots

Originally posted by Kayne Archeron
i have to agree with JToTheP on the EVA point though, the Philosophers

Spoiler:
or in america, the Patriots

have much more power over the world than Volgin did. if Volgin got in their way, the Philosophers could've easily had him dispatched

Is there any proof that the La-Le-Lu-La-Lo (it's been ages since I played 2 so work with me) is the Patriots, or are they another group?

Originally posted by JToTheP
Is there any proof that the La-Le-Lu-La-Lo (it's been ages since I played 2 so work with me) is the Patriots, or are they another group?

Same group. Sometime during the Big Shell incident they say both of them, and the Colonel that Ocelot kills acknoledges them as one and the same.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Same group. Sometime during the Big Shell incident they say both of them, and the Colonel that Ocelot kills acknoledges them as one and the same.

Ohhh alright, interesting.

I also want to see a plot analysis of MGS😛ortable Ops, since I lack a PSP.

Originally posted by pr1983
He didnt die in mine... although i was never big into using kotaro, i always had oyu and the the gun guy, cant think of his name...