Religious Hypocrisy

Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
Such differences equate to different interpretations of what "violence" is. Again, from my limited understanding of Buddhism - and from my limited interactions with those whom I have encountered who are Buddhists - no type of morality is truly written in stone within its doctrines.

Okay Usagi...I am answering your posts as I promised....

I cut out what I thought was unnecessary and am only answering the richest essences of your points.

What intepretations of violence exist ?

Violence is a solid act.....The acts of brutal murder, rape, physical fights, use of weoponry are always violent. There is no factual way you can say "Those things are not violent in my opinion"

Violent is a factual adjective, not a personal intepretation. Love, perhaps, can be intepretted differently through the eyes of individuals, but violence stands clear. You can't honestly claim, "she got raped really rough, but i dont thnk i was violent. Violence to me is only what happened to Jesus"

It's absurd.

Buddhists do have a moral compass. You obviously don't know enough about Buddhism, it is clear from your assertion. Talk to Shaky some more, he'll enlighten you 🙂

Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
For example, some Buddhists believe it is not "violent" to kill an unborn child - however, they also believe it is "violent" and "intolerant" to fight against an individual, who believes killing the unborn is okay. This is blatant hypocrisy - as the more tolerant individual, would obviously have enough tolerance within them to accept the right to life of the unborn.

Another example would be molestation. Some might believe its okay for an adult to engage in intercourse with a 7 year old, others might find this abysmal(which it clearly is) However, a strict Buddhist would take the "middle ground" in such a situation -- and declare that having sex with a 7 year old -- would be okay in some situations.

Keyword: *SOME BUDDHISTS. Abortion, especially at a late stage, is always a violent act. Shaky doesn't like Abortion, and neither do I...incase you didn't already know.

Most Buddhists that I know do NOT like Abortion because it is the killing of a life. AND THE FOUNDATION of BUDDHISM lies within two major aspects:

1) Absolute Compassion

2) Ultamate Respect of ALL LIVING BEINGS

Something Christianity cannot claim, as it has FAILED to carry out through the millenia.

Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
Christ never asked believers to have "blind faith." This is either a misunderstanding or a purposeful misreprentation on your part(I'm leaning more towards the latter, based on our other discussions).

Honestly, other than Regret and Feceman, you are the only other Christian to claim that Faith by itself is not beneficial. That questioning everything is a positive. It is RARE to hear a Christian claim this.

Most Christians would URK at the act of questioning God, or even questioning the Bible.

What is your take on that ?

Is questioning the Bible a benefit for Faith, or is it "BLASPHEMY" as JIA would put it ?

Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
What he does tell us is to be informed, to always ask - and to always question the motives of the spirits around us. Or in other words, we are to be "wise as serpents" but "gentle as lambs." Still, there is only a certain degree of wisdom one can have - and after a point, one has to reconcile belief with faith, as oppossed to their own knowledge or understanding. I have faith in God's love, because of what he has done for me(the cross) and believe that he has nothing but good intentions based on this sacrifice.

I would like to know what quotes back this up. For the first time I am actually asking someone to SITE the Bible lol

I have yet to come across a passage in the Bible where Jesus demands that we question everything, including God and including what he himself taught....

Or does JEsus only say to question other people, and to question anything that doesn't fit with the Bible ?

That's limitted questioning, and limitted questioning is no where as beneficial as unlimitted and free questioning.

It's not truly free questioning if you get punished for it.....what's the apostle's name ?

Thomas the DOUBTER...hm.....he was FROWNED upon for even questioning what Jesus had said.

Yet another Biblical/Christian contradiction yawn

What else is new ?

Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
Even with this faith - Christ has provided us all with many "works" and much wisdom(and knowledge of God) during his visit to earth, which would make it next to impossible for one to believe -- that there wasn't something supernatural about him. As it is so appropriately stated in the scriptures - even the "fool" knows that there is a God. And to this I would add - even the "fool" knows that he is loving.

His visit to Earth was 2000 years ago. No one truly knows, and all his "works" including his resurrection could be pure fiction as there is no evidense to support those claims.

The scriptures can only serve as guidelines for intepretation, but do NOT serve as proof of anything...when will you understand that ????

Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
I've only included these 3 arguments because -- the rest of what you posted was essentially the same thing, regurgitaed over and over again, (either for the sake of confusion or willfull ignorance no doubt) and had already been answered.

WOW...that's the SAME EXACT THING I SAID ABOUT YOUR ARGUMENTS IN THE LAST PAGE ! 😱

See....I was afraid our argument would go in circles, which was why I previously chose to posepone a a response

Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
On to the first point -

Jyess...........

Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
You are giving Satan way too much credit regarding his abilities. And you are looking at this from the perspective that is just beneficial to Adam and Eve. God...being loving, presents his love to all of his creations..for he loves them all the same, this even includes Satan and his followers(other fallen angels).

Then why did God create a place called Hell to torture Satan, his angel followers, and his human non believers?

The most absurd contradiction I find about your Faith is how Hell can come from Love. How God can be Love, but enact in the torture of those who do not obey him.

Torture and Control do not come from LOVE

They only come from Hypocrisy, hate, cruelty, sadism, and obsession.

Explain to me how a Loving being sends those who do not obey him to be tortured for all eternity ? You keep dodging this fkn question and im getting sick of it !

Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
Perhaps God, wanted to give not just Adam and Eve - the opportunity to choose Good(or God), but perhaps he was also giving Satan a similar opportunity as well. Regardless, he did not force Satan to convice Adam and Eve to take the fruit, however, he did give him the choice to do so --with the hope perhaps that he too -- may have accepted this newfound creation with loving intentions, instead of attempting to destroy it.

Perhaps is a supposition and not a valid argument. I am dismissing this point.

Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
This is all just my interpretation of course, so don't hold it as fact.

Thank you for admitting this ! Take note, that I never held anything you said as Fact. Not even once. So don't worry.

Atleast you know you cannot make your claims as Fact. We are making SOME progress......

Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
Yes, God was indeed merciful in banishing Adam and Eve. He never openly condemned them to Hell, however, he did state that they would die because of their disobedience. Of course we all know, that he did make provisions for them to return to him - thru his sacrifice on the cross. No one has to go to hell, if they truly show true love for Christ and his sacrifice(true love for Christ representing obedience to his loving principles, which of course for Christians includes not being hypcritical of them)

So he was merciful by giving them Death.......on top of banishment from Paradise....

And then Hell comes later 🙄 OH HOW MERCIFUL !

How can Adam and Eve save themselves if they already died ? Jesus came much later ? I always thought that after Death it was too late to repent ?

According to the mythology you base your life on, Adam and Eve could not possibly be in Heaven, and ended up in Hell since Jesus was not there to give the sacrafice.

I wondor what happened to all those people who died before Jesus arrived ? Is it too late for them ? Probably ✅

Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
Your final point -

The incest thing is a bit confusing - and I don't have complete understanding of it, but I'll try to explain it as best as I can with the limited knowledge that I have.

Not good enough. Your supposition on this is no more valid than my own. Personal intepretations are ALL Christianity has to offer.

Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
God never encouraged sexual relations between Adam or Eve with their children, however, he did allow their children -- to have such interactions with each other upon marriage. This was the only logical thing that could be done at the time, to allow man to be "fruitful and multiply."

Incest was still there. Why would Incest be okay once, and then be a SIN next ?

I thought Sins were absolute as the Bible likes to put it .....

Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
Individuals lived much longer back in those days, so after several thousand years - there were more than enough people around on earth, and there was no longer need to engage in marriage with siblings.

There is no evidense for that claim ❌

In fact, quite the contrary....science proves that people lived much shorter lives back then.