A "what is the point" question

Well, Captainjacklover, I do love Jack. I think he's awesome and I've caught myself fantasizing. I'll tell the truth.

But there is fantasy and reality. Think about what the equivalent of a pirate is today. Someone who goes from place to place and causes complete destruction, ruining people's jobs and possibly their lives. The closest thing I can come up with is a terrorist.

Now to be fair and unbiased, Jack is a great guy deep down and the movie stresses that not all pirates are evil, in fact, some of them good. But by definition, they wound innocent people by stealing their goods at the very least. So it is really abnormal for Liz to sympathize with them, being from a town that is infested by them.

And then imagine one of them starts to come onto you. Realistically, I would probably make Jack out to trying to add me to his "collection" and wouldn't put up with it. It's to Liz's credit she can dish it back out and isn't afraid of him. But would you really go for the bad guy? A guy that does things as bad as what pirates do? Think about it.

But I'm marrying a military man and am in the military myself, so let me just tell you, you can have a good guy who can be every bit a pirate at heart. I found my Jack.

awww that was sooo sweet that last line you said! yes i agree with you that a good guy can be like that but like i said im young and fantasize a lot! and the bad guys are all that i fall for..of course not like pirates but but they have that bad boy image and i love that but ur right i must say that i wouldnt fall for Jack knowing he did horrible things to people but if i saw good in him i would try and make him better if i loved him enoguh or if he loved me enough

Someone with the right amount of danger to them is best. Jack just has a little too much for me if we're in the realm of reality.

i love Jack just the way he is...i mean you have to forgive his sins evntually, and we all know he is a good man at heart, he is jjust afraid to show it but with the right woman *couhg* LIZ *cough* he can learn to not show that bad boy image all the time and learn to get rid of it when he needs to

Originally posted by willofthewisp
Well, Captainjacklover, I do love Jack. I think he's awesome and I've caught myself fantasizing. I'll tell the truth.

But there is fantasy and reality. Think about what the equivalent of a pirate is today. Someone who goes from place to place and causes complete destruction, ruining people's jobs and possibly their lives. The closest thing I can come up with is a terrorist.

Now to be fair and unbiased, Jack is a great guy deep down and the movie stresses that not all pirates are evil, in fact, some of them good. But by definition, they wound innocent people by stealing their goods at the very least. So it is really abnormal for Liz to sympathize with them, being from a town that is infested by them.

And then imagine one of them starts to come onto you. Realistically, I would probably make Jack out to trying to add me to his "collection" and wouldn't put up with it. It's to Liz's credit she can dish it back out and isn't afraid of him. But would you really go for the bad guy? A guy that does things as bad as what pirates do? Think about it.

But I'm marrying a military man and am in the military myself, so let me just tell you, you can have a good guy who can be every bit a pirate at heart. I found my Jack.

Willo that last part was beautiful i wish u all the best!!!

But when the Love bug bites...it doesnt matter if he is good or bad....ur in LOVE!! and in this case Liz has herself a little bit of both!!!

Originally posted by willofthewisp
Surreal makes a good point. Hollywood very often doesn't think much of lasting love, especially in times of difficulty and facing challenges to a relationship. She said she wouldn't mind if they did J/E just as long as it was done well. Well, I would be disappointed, but I would still love the series if a well done W/E ending happened.

I'ts just....weird IMO

because for one they say they hate that about trilogies..

and it also goes against what they say they like to see from a character by the end of a story.

I would rather this be about Jack realising that some things in life are better than material possessions...but no..they are leaving him as if he loves that kind of stuff when in reality inmovie 1 we can see he's pretty weak and broken as a man despite having lots of material things there..

I dont understand what kind of human being can honestly say they prefer mterial things and whores over human love and friendship.

Is Jack to leave us an egotistic, material comfort loving what not just like he was at the start of movie 1? Or was their an actual point of bringing Elizabeth and Will back into his life?

cuz if it was never their intent for Jack to be different by the end of the trilogy then why on earth show him going in that direction in DMC?? People are going to obviously grow fond of the idea if they see thier fave character be a hero for someone else other than himself for once.

I would only be a little disappointed if it was W/E for two reasons:
1. I find J/E a more interesting, realistic, hotter pairing.
2. It just seems like of all Jack's adventures, the ones he has with Will and Liz should stand out, be the great adventures. Like Han Solo, he had his run-ins and wild times before, but it was teaming up with Luke and Leia that changed his life and gave him the ultimate adventure. That's how I see this time the kids are having with Jack. They both have to hold some special place in Jack's heart just because this is the part of Jack's life the audience gets to see.

So if W/E stay together and Jack goes off on his own, how does that change him in any way?

it doesnt^^^ thats the point..it feels like the lead hero set off on a pointless adventure..I mean what was the point of them coming back into his life if its not to change him in some way?

Yeah, I just don't want Will and Liz to go down as just another chapter in his memoirs.

yeah same...especially Elizabeth..because those two developed onscreen together in DMC..

Originally posted by LovelyOne
seriously WHAT is going to be a more memorable ending??

one where characters are tested and end up exactly the same as where they first where

or where the characters develop and in the end they stay true to that pattern of development..I'm thinking of mainly Jack here.

which is starting to give up freedom for something that will actually make him more complete in the long run..

Woo, more adult. This may be looking up after all.

apparently he realizes something about himself that stems from DMC..and only with Liz and his dad can he overcome the struggle..and its at this point that Elizabeth realizes where her heart Truly lies

that can go either way though..

but I have to say. I think Jack may start to mirror Davy Jones in terms of character.. despite not stabbing the heart.

and of course no one is going to want to see that. If Liz cares for him in the slightest will she help him?

There's that interesting scene thats supposed to be in the trailer that everyone just takes as a joke as usual "because its Jack"..🙄 ..but IMO its revealing something about his character.

Its the scene that was discussed (I think) on KttC they where Jack asks if anyone came back because they actually missed him..and no one raises a hand but the monkey??

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH..so hilarious..so typical jack ...Its funny yes but at the same time rather sad when you think about it.

doesn't that just tell you in a subtle way that Jack is saying "I wish someone cared about me enough to miss me" since when does Jack care if people miss him or not?

I get rather irritated at people that just see Jack as someone who is constantly carefree, only cares about material things and whores and is always just funny to watch..he's not always funny to watch, he's rather tragic at times and has much more depth to him than that....even way back with movie 1 we see this part of him..he's a rather pathetic human being under the shell of material objects and the legend....he has nothing in life apart from those things.

There's that interesting scene thats supposed to be in the trailer that everyone just takes as a joke as usual "because its Jack".. ..but IMO its revealing something about his character.

Its the scene that was discussed (I think) on KttC they where Jack asks if anyone came back because they actually missed him..and no one raises a hand but the monkey??

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH..so hilarious..so typical jack ...Its funny yes but at the same time rather sad when you think about it.

Only the monkey? 😱 the hell with everybody else, I'm rooting now for a Jack/Monkey ending 😄

A post from WordPlayer, alittle mishappen occured but I think this post of mine is still relavent here.

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I'm very happy you brought that up. JACK IS NOT ONE DIMENIONAL. How could you say such things about a person, he's not just a name scribbled on a peice of paper, he's a person.

Honestly, I've met many people that say he's a one dimeional character and that he can't change or that he doesn't want to. But what surprises me is that a person such as yourself has the guts to outright say that he's nothing but a flat cartoon character that was born purely to entertain us.

He is not. Jack Sparrow is a human being, his past makes him. Everything that happend is the reason why he is who he is. His life that we do not know of has anything and everything to do about CotBP, DMC and the upcoming AWE.

I find it quite rude and insulting to say that a character (being the key word) that was born in the loving light of his creators (T&T) is nothing but a mere object to laugh at. What has become of this world?

Is is even possible to not see how real he is? Jack is everyone of us, he's gone through everything in his life. He came from royalty and fell into crime and piracy. Our race has also suffered the conciquences of such actions, we've all made mistakes and we've all owned up to them. Having to pay a great deal or not, we've all learned from it.

Apparently, Jack Sparrow still has some learning to do. I find him to be a child, alittle boy stuck in the body of a grown man. He cannot figure out what he wants, but he knows in his heart what he craves is the freedom to live and do what he wishes.

If you could say that he's one dimetional, then you are nothing but a post on the internet, then I am nothing but a voice in the wind. We are all people, we all have pasts that mold ourselves as of now. We could never be here if not for that second grade teacher or the crush you couldn't get over in highschool.

That's what makes us, us. And that's what makes Jack, Jack.

I honestly have never heard of a person so rude as to acuse Jack of being a plate of metal that would never, ever change. How could you be so sure, when you were three how do you think you'd become?

An astronaught, an athelete? What are you now. A lawer, an acountant a person so addicted to the net that they've deteriated into nothingness? What I'm trying to say is that nothing stays the same, nothing. Unless you're locked up in a little box you can't not change. Even then the isolation would get to you and drive you to utter insantity.

Even then there is change.

So think again when you say these things. When you brand a man a pirate and nothing else. He is a man first and foremost, not a scallywag of the sea. A man. Men change, women change. Everyone changes and never stay the same.

I honestly think you must appologise to T&T for that awfully rude remark about one of their most cherished, loved, intellegent and brutishly beautiful characters.

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This was in response to some one who said that Jack was nothing but some character to bring us cheap laughs.

Thanks for bringing this here, I read that and thought it was interesting. 😄

I find it interesting though. Johnny Depp has always had a brilliant talent for acting. His characters have a natural sense of humour, as does he. But some where along the line, they turn into tragedies. But wait, they were tragedies all along.

Jack's sad character in some parts of DMC and AWE are not just out of the blue. He's not just a guy that changes to acustom to your entertainment. I really don't think he cares about if you wanna laugh at him or not, Jack doesn't even know that people are watching him. He's always had that miserable side, that horrible past that molded him to make him the man he is today.

T&T know that. They made him. I believe strongly that Johnny wouldn't let his character get trapped in a cage for little children to point and laugh at. He's a smart, clever and loveable pirate. It's his personality that makes the money, and maybe the cheap laughs do bring in revenue. But remember, T&T's first and most important goal is to make a movie, but not just a movie who's only purpose is to make money.

They have a dedication to the characters, their plot and their beautiful tale of pirates. I don't think they'd let their beloved Jack become a laughing stock. I believe at first, POTC was made to bring money in. But over time, T&T realized that they made a mistake. They brought the shallow impression on Jack and even to a point Will and Lizzie.

So I believe they made DMC to clear up that mistake. To show the persons underneath, not the materials that surround them.

Truly I believe that AWE will be magnificant. Whatever the ship, whatever the day or month. No matter how long it takes, it will always be worth it. Keep the faith, watch the logic.

And believe. Otherwise we're doomed.

Yes thank you SwannandSparrow for posting that. I loved reading it I agree 100% with what they said. There more to Jack Sparrow then people are willing to admit. "Jack Sparrow More Then Meets The Eye!" LOL I had to put the old transformers slogan in kind of.

Lol, brilliant. I'm blushing. Guess who wrote that...😗

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But I really do think that. I just got so angry that a person could do that, but apparently it wasn't a real post...I don't know if I'm alowed to say more, I might get some one in trouble.

Will people want their most loved character to just remain incomplete for an eternity or will they give him more closure than that with this trilogy?

..I mean..the world is changing the point was made in DMC..The very title "at worlds end" suggests pirates are sure to die out and the new age is coming..will Jack fit into it?..Or will he die

oh yes the supposed "Jack leaving movie 3 going after immortality" ending...what a horrid ending for Jack 😘