Originally posted by Martian_mind
if they r at abuilding site nightwing has alot to bounce off and leap around greatly complementing his combat style so i say nightweb 6/10
Fair enough. I wouldnt put him that far ahead of her in agility, though. With the SSS, I reckon she comes pretty damn close to keeping up. I still say this comes down to a battle of skills. She reacts fast enough, and, with her precog, that she should be able to react against his acrobatics.
Nightweb huh? Not bad.
Cap. Elektra 7-8/10
Originally posted by Martian_mind
Fair enough but again the precog is negated by spider sense so i really think he may have the advantage anyway i think nightweb can take the american shadow
On top of the other things, I think she would have the weapon advantage. However, I don't profess to know that much about Nightwing, but I don't recall him normally fighting with weapons. Occaisionally using gadgets? Sure. If a gadgets named that could have actual impact, it would be a viable tactic for Nightweb. But, While his punches are strength-backed, she has the Sai's to cut him up.
American Shadow ftw.
Nice names, btw, I knew she would have to be American Something, but I couldn't put my finger on a good ending.
Originally posted by Martian_mind
Ty anyway in terms of weaponry nightwing has billy clubs like daredevil in fact hes basically dcs daredevil but more agile imo
Well, then my point still stands. Elektra's Sais >> Billy Clubs due to the damage capabilities, by which I mean stabbing vs. beating.
And, I will reittirate, she with the SSS and that training, on top of her own, tops out Nightweb in the skills department. Which means she has better weapons, which she weilds with more skill.
A. Shadow ftw.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Meh, my money's on the Nightwing/SM. It's basically a martial arts trained Spider-Man vs a female Captain America with limited TP precog.
Perhaps.
But I'd put a fight between Cap and SM alot closer if it was Classic (and therefore weaker) Spidey, without webs, against a Cap with ninja training and precog.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The only reason fights between Captain America and SM are "close" (setting aside that fights will generally be written close) is that SM lacks the training to fully utilise the abilities he has. In this fight he's been given that training he normally lacks.
But, as I stated, this fight is much different.
'American Shadow', as she's been dubbed, is superior to Cap, as she essentially IS Cap, with further training and capabilities.
Nightweb is inferior to the Spiderman that you know now.
So, this is essentially an majorly amped up Cap vs. a very weakened SM, who happens to be trained better then normally.
Shadow ftw.
It's still essentially a female Captain America, with some more training and limited precog against classic Spider-Man with martial arts training from Batman and even more acrobatic agility. In which case I don't see the addition of Elektra's training to Captain America being enough to overcome the amalgamation of Spider-Man's physical attributes combined with Nightwings martial arts.
Weakened in what way even if his powers are not as strong he makes up for it via training gadgets and tactics and nightwing was peak human as well even before he got these new powers so whilst he may not be stronger than current spidey hell still be stronger than the american shadow as well as faster and more agile. Nightwing has been fighting crime since he was 8 yrs old and was one of the worlds 3 best acrobats before that im sure he would not be outmanouvered by someone whos weaker and slower than him
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
It's still essentially a female Captain America, with some more training and limited precog against classic Spider-Man with martial arts training from Batman and even more acrobatic agility. In which case I don't see the addition of Elektra's training to Captain America being enough to overcome the amalgamation of Spider-Man's physical attributes combined with Nightwings martial arts.
Well, in a comparison on both levels, I would put Captain America's skills a ways above Spiderman's, and Elektra's decently above Nightwing's. You take AS, who has both sets of skills, giving her a major step ahead of Nightweb, ontop of the ability to keep up with his movements via pre-cog.
In addition, she would recieve Cap's tactical training, giving her a second edge against him as well.
I realized it's kindof redundant to be called Nightweb and not have webs. But, it doesnt matter.
In any case,
AS 7-8/10
Originally posted by Martian_mind
Nightwing has been fighting crime since he was 8 yrs old and was one of the worlds 3 best acrobats before that im sure he would not be outmanouvered by someone whos weaker and slower than him
Hmmm...
Marvel's Deadlist Ninja, or one of DC's top three acrobats...
Ninja or Acrobat....
Hmmm...