Originally posted by xmarksthespotFor me that would be taking a defensive action, but with that change makes a difference.
He can take no action. That does not mean he is unconscious or has no awareness. He is simply immobilized for the duration of the thought initiating the manifestation of the lightning bolt.
Originally posted by JuntaiI didn’t know that, from every thing that I have seen (not a big flash fan though) he must contact the SF but if it always on then that is different. My conclusion was based on the assumption that he must activate it just like any other ability. However reacting to lighting is not all that impressive, normal humans have done so. Now if the bolt is already in motion that is a different story.
Wally is mainlined to the speedforce, he's always connected to it.
Flash has seen and reacted to lightning before.
Can Storm change air pressure? If she could lower the air pressure enough she could make it very difficult for Flash to breath, and his breathing increases with his speed so she could slow him right down. Of course in these fight conditions she wouldn't get the chance, but her powers could be useful with prep.
Originally posted by Wally WestWell at full power she has put the planet into an ice-age within hours so I don’t think that would be beyond her powers. Another use would be creating an air tunnel into space.
Can Storm change air pressure? If she could lower the air pressure enough she could make it very difficult for Flash to breath, and his breathing increases with his speed so she could slow him right down. Of course in these fight conditions she wouldn't get the chance, but her powers could be useful with prep.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Flash cannot move until Storm has completed her "create lightning bolt to zap Flash" thoughts regardless of how fast he thinks or moves. Only after can he do anything.Without a handicap, Flash kills any telepath. But in this same scenario. If a telepath or telekinetic is allowed to complete the thought of their power before Flash is allowed any action... it would have a very different outcome.
Quite possibly, yes. I can't tell if threadmaker's intention is for Flash to bit hit?...in essense, he MUST be struck by the bolt of lightning before he gets to do anything...and then he's allowed to react? Or if it's just a typical fight? ...in which cace, he pummels the #$@% out of her.
Originally posted by ThePittman
This is a generality, I know that Flash when moving at the speed of light can think faster but this is a relative comparison of speed. Even if you triple the speed at which he thinks it is still not even close to the speed of lighting. From my understanding he must use the Speed Force to think faster than a normal human so if he can take no action until the lighting has started then he must turn of the Speed Force and react, plus you also said that he can take no defensive action which would mean that if he already though about running the minute he could move that would be a defensive action. So now does he not only have to turn of the Speed Force but also think about what he wants to do.
No. Wally does not need to be connected with the Speed Force in order to have vastly superhuman thought and reaction speed. From a standstill, he's still EASILY able to think and react faster than the fastest of lightning.
Originally posted by BobbyD
Quite possibly, yes. I can't tell if threadmaker's intention is for Flash to bit hit?...in essense, he MUST be struck by the bolt of lightning before he gets to do anything...and then he's allowed to react? Or if it's just a typical fight? ...in which cace, he pummels the #$@% out of her.
No no no.
He must not take action until the CONJURING of the lightning bolt takes place via Storm's psionic-based weather-manipulating ability. As soon as the command is given, THEN he can move.
Originally posted by MetalmanxHowever I thought it was the SF that allowed him to break the laws of physics? Isn't he just a normal human that has the ability to access the SF?
No. Wally does not need to be connected with the Speed Force in order to have vastly superhuman thought and reaction speed. From a standstill, he's still EASILY able to think and react faster than the fastest of lightning.
Originally posted by ThePittmanHe is in the connection of the speed force all the time.
However I thought it was the SF that allowed him to break the laws of physics? Isn't he just a normal human that has the ability to access the SF?
Example, someone launched a bullet a mile away when he was chilling in his balcony, he still had time to search through a thousand people to see where the bullet was.
Originally posted by H. S. 6
Noticing a pattern: The people arguing for Storm are igorant of Flash.
Originally posted by SoljerThat is a bit harsh; do you know every little bit of information about every character you talk about? I wasn’t arguing for Storm but with the situation that was given and the way that I interpreted it, in any fight Flash would trounce Storm but some bits of information I didn’t know. With what I know about Flash and what he can do, there is no match under a cosmic being that can do anything to him.
Check the other recent Storm vs. threads.You'll see the pattern doesn't just apply to the Flash.
Those arguing for Storm are ignorant.
Period.
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerI have never heard that he was connected at all times, thanks for the info.
He is in the connection of the speed force all the time.Example, someone launched a bullet a mile away when he was chilling in his balcony, he still had time to search through a thousand people to see where the bullet was.
Originally posted by ThePittman
That is a bit harsh; do you know every little bit of information about every character you talk about? I wasn’t arguing for Storm but with the situation that was given and the way that I interpreted it, in any fight Flash would trounce Storm but some bits of information I didn’t know. With what I know about Flash and what he can do, there is no match under a cosmic being that can do anything to him.I have never heard that he was connected at all times, thanks for the info.
Don't jump to conclusions. I was using "ignorant" as a purely factual term. I apologize if you took it any other way.
I hate the way some of these characters are written--almost omnipotent.
The only way to beat him is for the opponent to be omnipresent and able to step outside the reality that he's in and attack him.
It's dumb for characters to be all-powerful with no weakness.
He can run faster than time, thoughts, light. PLEASE!! 🙄
There used to be a time where u could just trip him up and fling something in his path.
It's stupid as hell.
Another thing, He's truly faster than thought, right?
If storm was to ionized the air to electricute him, would her thought still be carried out even while he's attacking her or shortly thereafter???
What I mean is, the Flash's speed relative to a thought leaves what interval of time for said thoughts to be carried out???
Just because he moves "faster than thought" doesn't mean it would take hella long for the thought to be carried out and he still be hurt or killed.
I mean how is that actually logically actualized in the "real world".......of the comics???