Originally posted by Darth Martin
I believe Dooku>Anakin also when it comes to sabers.
Do you remember this because I posted in a previous thread yesterday or sunday. Pay close attention to detail.Anakin tooled Dooku in ROTS.
From the ROTS novel
This is the death of Count Dooku:
A starburst of clarity blossoms within Anakin Skywalker's mind, when he says to himself Oh. I get it, now and discovers that the fear within his heart can be a weapon, too.It is that simple, and that complex.
And it is final.
Dooku is dead already. The rest is mere detail.And all for nothing, because a nuclear flame has consumed Anakin Skywalker's Jedi restraint, and fear becomes fury without effort, and fury is a blade that makes his lightsaber into a toy.
The play goes on, but the suspense is over. It has become mere pantomime, as intricate and as meaningless as the space-time curves that guide galactic clusters through a measureless cosmos.
Dooku's decades of combat experience are irrelevant. His mastery of swordplay is useless......... Even his knowledge of the Force has become a joke......But for Anakin, in the fight there is only terror, and rage.
Only he stands between death and the two men he loves best in all the world, and he can no longer afford to hold anything back. That imaginary dead-star dragon tries its best to freeze away his strength, to whisper him that Dooku has beaten him before, that Dooku has all the power of the darkness, to remind him how Dooku took his hand, how Dooku could strike down even Obi-Wan himself seemingly without effort..................
When with all the power that the dark side can draw from throughout the universe, Dooku hurls a jagged fragment of the durasteel table, Shmi Skywalker's gentle murmur I knew you would come for me, Anakin smashes it aside................In that pristine clarity, there is only one thing he must do.
Decide.
So he does.
He decides to win.He decides that Dooku should lose the same hand he took. Decision is reality, here: his blade moves simultaneously with his will and blue fire vaporizes black Corellian nanosilk and disintegrates flesh and shears bone, and away falls a Sith Lord's lightsaber hand, trailing smoke that tastes of charred meat and burned hair. The hand falls with a bar of scarlet blaze still extending from its spastic death grip, and Anakin's heart sings for the fall of that red blade.
He reaches out and the Force catches it for him.
And then Anakin takes Dooku's other hand as well.
Originally posted by Darth Martin
Yes but you can't possibly think that overall Anakin>Dooku especially in force mastery. Anakin could only contend w/ Kenobi's force push.
Force mastery as of ROTS no, but saber skills Yes. Overall he is better look at the statement where it says he made dooku's force mastery useless.
Uh, how did it make his force mastery useless. Dooku didn't perform any force moves on Anakin. The way I see it is that Anakin has extreme RAW power. He's also very young in his early twenties. Dooku's in his eighties. Anakin's Djem So utilizes strong battering attacks whereas Dooku's implies weak finesse strikes. Anakin's skill with a lightsaber doesn't>Dooku's, if this were true why coudn't he **** on Kenobi as well. I do believe however that Anakin using his Djem So>Dooku using his Makashi. Back to the Obi situation, I don't buy the fact that Anakin was all disoriented up in the head, forget if he wasn't focused. It seemed pretty even-matched to me, besides Anakin couldn't overpower Kenobi's force push that right there shows Dooku>Anakin Force wise. And Kenobi was the master of the one form that is all-defense. Perfect form for fighting Anakin. Mace with Vappad could screw him over if he was with Dark Side but that's another debate. Because Kenobi through a better fight w/ Anakin than Dooku does that make Obi better than Dooku NO! It shows that Kenobi had a good form to utilize aginst Anakin, and was in far better shape.
Originally posted by Darth Martin
Uh, how did it make his force mastery useless. Dooku didn't perform any force moves on Anakin. The way I see it is that Anakin has extreme RAW power. He's also very young in his early twenties. Dooku's in his eighties. Anakin's Djem So utilizes strong battering attacks whereas Dooku's implies weak finesse strikes. Anakin's skill with a lightsaber doesn't>Dooku's, if this were true why coudn't he **** on Kenobi as well. I do believe however that Anakin using his Djem So>Dooku using his Makashi. Back to the Obi situation, I don't buy the fact that Anakin was all disoriented up in the head, forget if he wasn't focused. It seemed pretty even-matched to me, besides Anakin couldn't overpower Kenobi's force push that right there shows Dooku>Anakin Force wise. And Kenobi was the master of the one form that is all-defense. Perfect form for fighting Anakin. Mace with Vappad could screw him over if he was with Dark Side but that's another debate. Because Kenobi through a better fight w/ Anakin than Dooku does that make Obi better than Dooku NO! It shows that Kenobi had a good form to utilize aginst Anakin, and was in far better shape.
That was what the statement said that Dooku's force master became a "joke" meaning that it would not help against Anakin. And Dooku is greater in the force than Anakin. And as far as the ob1-anakin duel you also have to take into account that they were like brothers and trained together so they would know knew each other inside and out.
And I never said that kenobi>dooku(i think the exact opposite in fact). But the circumstances such as obiwan's fighting style(as you said) is the best defense, and combined with what I said right above is why that particular duel happened the way it did.
EDIT: If you are aguring that Dooku is better saber wise than Anakin I would have to disagree based on what I posted and in the movie he straight forwardly beat Dooku.
That is true but when you train with someone as long as they do you would know their strengths,weaknesses,fighting style and move tendencies. Those would certainly prolong the duel if not have a great effect on the outcome. I think the duel might have been different if they fought on flat surface.And if Anakin had the same mind set he had vs dooku i think he owuld have won.(see my below regarding his mind state) And I wouldn't say that was Anakin in "teh zone" His mind state was not really the same.(Im not making excuses for him being overconfident and losing)
This is his mind state vs dooku
A starburst of clarity blossoms within Anakin Skywalker's mind, when he says to himself Oh. I get it, now and discovers that the fear within his heart can be a weapon, too.
Vs kenobi-it is much more emotional and personal given the history between them and the situation regarding padme. He seemed to be more consumed with revenge and the emotion such as hate and anger.