Originally posted by StrangeloveHowever will you go to their religious events if they do become religious?
When I have children, I'm not going to have them baptized. I'm not going to take them to church. I have a catholic family, while I myself am an agnostic. Even if my children grow up believing in God, I'm never taking them to church because organized religion is nothing but forcing a template of beliefs on people, and I would refuse to subject my children to that
Originally posted by ThePittman
However will you go to their religious events if they do become religious?
It wouldn't be my duty. I might if they asked me to. But I might not. They are free to choose their faith, but the same right I ask of them. If I may answer the question..which I did now.
[edit] My God, I hope no one saw that before the edit, if anyone did. It is late here. I am German. Give me a break.
Originally posted by lord xyz
For that to happen they must first be convinced God does exist. How the **** can you teach someone something isn't true without teaching them what it is? And it's kinda weird how to teach it.
No they don't. You can be a student in a religious school, be taught all about God, and not beleive any of it. That's a simple example of Atheism.
You obviously don't get it....Exposure to the concept of God does not mean a lesson of the Church. All it means is that you heard about God, don't beleive it, and therefore are Athiest.
You cannot "disbeleive" something you never heard of. I think you answered your own question there.
Originally posted by lord xyz
"This is God, blah blah blah."
"I see."
"He doesn't exist though."
"What?!?"
Or more like:
"Mommy whose God?"
"A character that some people beleive in"
"Oh"
"Want some dinner honey ?"
"YEAH ! 🙂"
Originally posted by lord xyz
You don't understand how Atheism works do you?
Yes. One disbelieves in God.
Originally posted by lord xyz
I've already proven to you that someone who knows not of god is atheist.
When ?
Oh, wait in your carefully selected definition: "one who lacks a beleif in God"...
So I guess the fact that you never had sex with a girl means your either GAY or ASEXUAL by default 🙄
The same way a person whose never heard of God is Athiest by default ! 😱
Originally posted by lord xyz
I don't understand what you mean by "Black and White".
Because to you people are EITHER Atheist, Agnostic or Theist. If someone never heard of the concept of God then they are automatically Athiest in your mind.
Someone who has NOTHING to do with the topic of Theism cannot be categorized in those terms. Some people are neither Athiest, Theist, or Agnostic.
Originally posted by lord xyz
If someone explains to you what something is, you'll first believe it to be true,
Untrue. You can tell me the world is made of cheese, that don't mean I'll believe you.
Tell me that a magical hypocrit created the world in seven days and created my ancestors out of mud, i wont beleive you either ❌
Originally posted by lord xyz
unless it's taught as fiction, which would be a biased explanation would it not?
Being taught as fiction or non fiction are both equally biased. It being taught objectively as a cultural beleif is not.
Originally posted by Lord UrizenBut you still have to teach what it is to teach not to believe.
No they don't. You can be a student in a religious school, be taught all about God, and not beleive any of it. That's a simple example of Atheism.
Originally posted by Lord UrizenI've heard about Bohlemia before but I did not know what it was till someone told me. Then I believed them. Same goes for everything else. So you are wrong.
You obviously don't get it....Exposure to the concept of God does not mean a lesson of the Church. All it means is that you heard about God, don't beleive it, and therefore are Athiest.
Originally posted by Lord UrizenI keep telling you, Atheism doesn't necessarily mean "disbelieve" in God, it's someone who doesn't believe in God. Someone who doesn't know of God doesn't believe in God.
You cannot "disbeleive" something you never heard of. I think you answered your own question there.
Originally posted by Lord UrizenFirst of all, no. Second, I was talking about teaching Atheism without the child asking, I thought it was pretty clear but, ah well. We're not all intelligent.
Or more like:"Mommy whose God?"
"A character that some people beleive in"
"Oh"
"Want some dinner honey ?"
"YEAH ! 🙂"
Originally posted by Lord UrizenThen why is their more than one definition to the word?
Yes. One disbelieves in God.
Originally posted by Lord UrizenTry all the time.
When ?
Originally posted by Lord UrizenIf by carefully selected definition you mean dictinary definition then yes.
Oh, wait in your carefully selected definition: "one who lacks a beleif in God"...
Originally posted by Lord UrizenNo.
So I guess the fact that you never had sex with a girl means your either GAY or ASEXUAL by default 🙄
Originally posted by Lord UrizenNo.
The same way a person whose never heard of God is Athiest by default ! 😱
Originally posted by Lord UrizenWell, that is what Atheist means.
Because to you people are EITHER Atheist, Agnostic or Theist. If someone never heard of the concept of God then they are automatically Athiest in your mind.
Originally posted by Lord UrizenAgain, you fail to know the definition of Atheism because of your arrogance.
Someone who has NOTHING to do with the topic of Theism cannot be categorized in those terms. Some people are neither Athiest, Theist, or Agnostic.
Originally posted by Lord UrizenBecause you already know it doesn't. If I told you Schreib is German for write, you have a choice to believe me, naturally you would,m but depending on the situation you may not. This is because you don't know what Schrieb actually means, so naturally you would believe me. And if I then tell you straight after say no, it actually means read, you would be confused. So you can't teach someone something's not true, unless the believe it to be first.
Untrue. You can tell me the world is made of cheese, that don't mean I'll believe you.
Originally posted by Lord UrizenHYPOCRITE! Learn to spell.
Tell me that a magical hypocrit created the world in seven days and created my ancestors out of mud, i wont beleive you either ❌
And you will if that's the only explanation there is.
Originally posted by ThePittmanTrue...and yes I am admitting what you think I am Urizen.
This is one of the problems with definitions in the dictionary, if enough people think the word means a certain thing then it becomes a new definition of the word even if it is different then the original meaning of the word.
I was brought up in an extreamly colourful religious family. The main theme were mostly pagan, including faries, witches, black magic, white magic, throwing things arond to get the spirits away, invoking spirits, looking at tarot...etc.
When I was born, an astrological table was drawn for me, and I still keep it somewhere.
Since I grew up with a belief that there are two worlds or rather when we die in one, we are born in another, and when one is born in this world, he/she has died in the other...etc.
When I was younger I never really thought about anything that much. The important thing was that I was thought that ''God'' loved everybody and that it did not matter if I worshiped him or not, or if I called him Allah or God, i Im a good person everything will be ok.
I made my mind up later about what I believe, but these thngs still stayed with me. I like thinking about them, and I like the tradition of it.
Due to that, I keep my mind open about everything.
Originally posted by lord xyz
Because you already know it doesn't. If I told you Schreib is German for write, you have a choice to believe me, naturally you would,m but depending on the situation you may not. This is because you don't know what Schrieb actually means, so naturally you would believe me. And if I then tell you straight after say no, it actually means read, you would be confused. So you can't teach someone something's not true, unless the believe it to be first.
And there is your mistake.
Stop believing everything everyone tells you. Your belief that this view is accurate is terribly flawed.
If you told me schreib is german for write, I don't have to believe you. I could say "Bullshit" and go look it up myself.
It's the ignorant who do not go learn things for themselves and instead take what they hear as truth.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I was brought up in an extreamly colourful religious family. The main theme were mostly pagan, including faries, witches, black magic, white magic, throwing things arond to get the spirits away, invoking spirits, looking at tarot...etc.When I was born, an astrological table was drawn for me, and I still keep it somewhere.
Since I grew up with a belief that there are two worlds or rather when we die in one, we are born in another, and when one is born in this world, he/she has died in the other...etc.
When I was younger I never really thought about anything that much. The important thing was that I was thought that ''God'' loved everybody and that it did not matter if I worshiped him or not, or if I called him Allah or God, i Im a good person everything will be ok.
I made my mind up later about what I believe, but these thngs still stayed with me. I like thinking about them, and I like the tradition of it.
Due to that, I keep my mind open about everything.
I was born to a fundamentalist Christian family; boy, was I screwed over. 😆 jk
Originally posted by Mr. SandmanMost people are kind and will believe what people tell them as a sign of respect. Not, "I will believe you to respect you," more as "I shall listen to respect what you have to say.......this is new to me, so I shall remember what you have told me and think of it as fact because I have listened." When people listen, they are much easier to be fooled. And listening is natural as a sign of respect, which we as a race do because of our evolved social skills.
And there is your mistake.Stop believing everything everyone tells you. Your belief that this view is accurate is terribly flawed.
If you told me schreib is german for write, I don't have to believe you. I could say "Bullshit" and go look it up myself.
It's the ignorant who do not go learn things for themselves and instead take what they hear as truth.
Re: How Atheists raise their children...
Originally posted by lord xyz
[If this is merged with another thread, like the "Atheists and Theists" or "The so-called religion of Atheism" threads for example, I apoligise.]If you guys think Atheism is a religion, or like a religion, then how about this. Now this thread is actually targeted at Atheists for only they can answer the questions, but others are allowed to comment.
Now, for you atheists, how would you raise your children? Would you say to them "This is God, this is what some people believe about him/her, but God (most likely) doesn't exist." Now to me that sounds like Agnosticism. Because they're mentioning God to the child as if it's a possibility. Would an Atheist instead however, not even mention or talk about God to their child unless the child asks? I think so, that's what I would do.
So what I'm trying to say is, do Atheists not teach their children about God, or teach their children not to believe in God?
Well my father was an Atheist (strong Atheist) and my mother a liberal Christian. Neither forced their beliefs on me. I was free to ask however, and when I did they taught. They managed to present a rather open minded approach to the whole question, and always emphasised the importance of me deciding what I thought was right, not just accepting the claims that were made.
I was told what the concept of God was, and not just the Christian God, but the others. They gave me their perspective, addressing the fact that it was their perspective (no "you're going to Sunday school to learn about the one and only God and his son Jesus Christ.)
And that I think was best. They taught men, when I asked, in an intellectual way rather then a faith based one (which wouldn't have worked for me) - the concept of divinity rather then the claim that one particular God is real and has to be worshipped otherwise terrible things would happen. Because I asked questions, and would never have been able to accept a "this is what is." I am why - and as I said they were down with the fact that a child should have the leeway to learn and choose something like this for themselves, not be molded as faith clones of the parent (those are my words, not theirs.) They gave the academic basis and theory as to who and what God is, and revealed that many people have different ideas on God, and many people don't believe their is such a thing. The key is to provide as close to possible unbiased information that will help a child with their own personal journey, not lock them into something that might not be right. And I think it worked.
I myself am Atheist (or borderline agnostic at certain times) two of my sisters are Christian, and my other sister and brother seem atheist (being a bit young to know for sure.)
Originally posted by lord xyz
But you still have to teach what it is to teach not to believe.
I agree.
Originally posted by lord xyz
I keep telling you, Atheism doesn't necessarily mean "disbelieve" in God, it's someone who doesn't believe in God. Someone who doesn't know of God doesn't believe in God.
Atheism cannot be applied to someone who has nothing to do with the concept of God. The same way Asexuality cannot be applied to a person who has no sex.
Originally posted by lord xyz
First of all, no. Second, I was talking about teaching Atheism without the child asking, I thought it was pretty clear but, ah well. We're not all intelligent.
Okay....
Mom: Honey
Son: Yes, mom
Mom: God is not real
Son: Ok mom 🙂
Mom: Want dinner?
Son: OH BOY ! 😱
😆 I know ur pissed, im just teasing you 😛
Originally posted by lord xyz
Then why is their more than one definition to the word?
I dunno. Why is there more than one definition for Asexuality? Not all definitions can apply to all scenarios. That is the basically my point.
Originally posted by lord xyz
Try all the time.
Sex ? OH YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS droolio