AotC Anakin vs RotJ Luke

Originally posted by Gideon
Somebody took his 'act-like-an-ass' pills this morning. But, hey. Got no problem treating you like an idiot, too.

Or... you could watch the fight. He lasted longer against Dooku than Obi-Wan did. Dooku completely toyed with Obi-Wan without any difficulty.

The novelization even states that Anakin wasn't beaten so easily the second time around, which is how the databank words it, exactly.

But you have to keep in mind by opening himself up more to press the offensive against Dooku, he ended up losing a lot more in the process. An arm to be precise.

Originally posted by zephiel7
But you have to keep in mind by opening himself up more to press the offensive against Dooku, he ended up losing a lot more in the process. An arm to be precise.

That is true. But, for example, Mace lost his life when he attacked Sidious. Yoda managed to flee. Which one of them fought better against Sidious? Mace.

The point was that he was the more difficult opponent to overcome, and he got more serious against Anakin than against Obi-Wan.

Originally posted by Gideon
The point was that he was the more difficult opponent to overcome, and he got more serious against Anakin than against Obi-Wan. [/B]

Inasmuch as the difficulty was a consequence of Anakin assuming a more aggressive stance rather than a real bridge in combat ability. Anakin's initial aggresiveness earned him a blast of lightning that sent him at least 30 feet in the opposite direction. Who fared better in that round of combat? Definately Obi Wan. Kenobi calmly deflected the blast and pressed the duel.

In the end he made Dooku sweat less, but he also lost a lot less in the process because he was playing it defensively. It was a different style of combat, not necessarily Kenobi being weaker.

Inasmuch as the difficulty was a consequence of Anakin assuming a more aggressive stance rather than a real bridge in combat ability.

The difficulty was a consequence of Dooku being less prepared or capable to deal with aggressive assaults from someone with the raw power that Anakin has.

This was underlined quite plainly in his fight against Yoda (both of them) and his sparring with General Grievous - as well as his death scene in RotS. He isn't particularly skilled at finding an advantage against those who possess overwhelming speed, power, or both.

Anakin's initial aggresiveness earned him a blast of lightning that sent him at least 30 feet in the opposite direction. Kenobi on the otherhand calmly deflected the blast and pressed the duel. In the end he nade Dooku sweat less, but he also lost a lot less in the process because he was playing it defensively. It was a different style of combat, not necessarily Kenobi being weaker.

Anakin's initial aggressiveness was a consequence of irrational thinking, which was supported by the fact that he had never faced a Sith Lord - much less any opponent prior who was as skilled as Count Dooku.

Obi-Wan was completely and utterly dominated. Dooku wasn't even trying, taunting. He comfortably beat Anakin as well, but gave more ground and it took longer.

He isn't particularly skilled at finding an advantage against those who possess overwhelming speed, power, or both.

His reprisals against inexperienced attackers who use more reckless attacks are quite brutal as opposed to those that use a calm and thought out approach to combat, as indicated when Anakin Got his arm cut off

It says that Dooku appears to weaken, indicating a feint. Then he disarms Anakin leading the latter to "recklessly attack again" (thus comprising defense.)

And he pays a hefty price for comprising defense unlike Kenobi who kept up his guard it would seem. From what I see, Dooku was having a good time with both of these losers.

Obi Wan on the otherhand unleashes a calm and controlled barrage, but gets “less” noticeably pwned. (He keeps his body parts)

Anakin's initial aggressiveness was a consequence of irrational thinking, which was supported by the fact that he had never faced a Sith Lord - much less any opponent prior who was as skilled as Count Dooku.

Obi Wan was also in the same boat, he did not ever experience force lightning before, but he managed to foresee and deflect such an attack with a little thinking.

All this being said, if your definition of “fighting well” means losing a limb due to recklessness, then alright. Obi Wan fought carefully and slowly, but ended up losing less because he did not make a dashing and aggressive attack against an enemy that was obviously superior to them both.

Originally posted by zephiel7
His reprisals against inexperienced attackers who use more reckless attacks are quite brutal as opposed to those that use a calm and thought out approach to combat, as indicated when Anakin Got his arm cut off

I never said that Anakin did anything to him. I said he did more than Obi-Wan did.

It says that Dooku appears to weaken, which is a brilliant technique used by fencers, called a feint, that tricks their opponent into making mistakes. From what I see, Dooku was having a good time with both of these losers.

The novelization and databank disagree. They both agreed that he had more skill, but Anakin wasn't easily beaten the second time around. He was the greater threat, Zephiel. I am sorry if you disagree.

Then it says Anakin “recklessly” attacks again, only to “pay a hefty price” later.

I never said he fought brilliantly.

Obi Wan on the otherhand unleashes a calm and controlled barrage, but gets “less” noticeably pwned. (He keeps his body parts)

Obi-Wan unleashes nothing. Dooku completely dominated him, from beginning to finish. He goes down quicker, and easier. I suppose my analogies with Yoda and Mace regarding Sidious did absolutely nothing for you?

Obi Wan was also in the same boat, he did not ever experience force lightning before, but he managed to foresee and deflect such an attack with a little thinking.

No. He fought against a Sith Lord before. Anakin did not.

All this being said, if your definition of “fighting well” means losing a limb due to recklessness, then alright. Obi Wan fought carefully and slowly, but ended up losing less because he did not make a dashing and aggressive attack against an enemy that was obviously superior to them both.

All this being said, if your definition of "fighting better" means to go down with much less difficulty and in much less time, then Obi-Wan is by far the superior opponent.

I never said that Anakin did anything to him. I said he did more than Obi-Wan did.

And that makes him fight better? If Anakin lost as Obi Wan did, then I understand your point. But he did not, he lost a lot more than Obi Wan. I admit that neither of the duo fought particularly well against Dooku, but to say that Anakin was better than Kenobi because he sacrificed defense for offense is absurd.

The novelization and databank disagree. They both agreed that he had more skill, but Anakin wasn't easily beaten the second time around. He was the greater threat, Zephiel. I am sorry if you disagree.

Well the comics seem to disagree with you. Anakin "recklessly attacks," loses his arm, and gets blasted by lightning initially. Obi Wan calmly deflects the lightning, and gets downed, but not quite as badly.

I never said he fought brilliantly.

What the? I never said you said that...

I suppose my analogies with Yoda and Mace regarding Sidious did absolutely nothing for you?

Your analogy is faulty. The two don't compare. You are ignoring the fact that Anakin came out of nowhere and slashed off Mace's hand and that Mace had Sidious on his ass without comprimising his defense or by "recklessly" attacking.

No. He fought against a Sith Lord before. Anakin did not.

Maul? A sith lord? I always though Sidious was the sith lord, and Maul was his apprentice...Anyways, I must of left my glasses back home when I saw the movie, since I never saw Maul use a blast of lightning during the entire thing. Both Anakin and Kenobi were new to defending against the technique. Kenobi simply fought better in that round because he thought things through.

All this being said, if your definition of "fighting better" means to go down with much less difficulty and in much less time, then Obi-Wan is by far the superior opponent.

Irrelevant. You were assuming that Anakin was above Obi Wan at this point. He sacrificed his position for offense and got his ass totally handed back to him. Obi Wan played it calm, deflected the lightning, got downed but did not lose quite as much in the process. They both fought equally well.