The Omniverse, (the structure of all Comic Universes)

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
There aren't really many Roma-based stories per se. She basically assumed Merlin's mantle when he "died" and has henceforth been referred to as the Omniversal Guardian. I don't think she's appeared in any crossovers so I would assume the latter, i.e. that her task is to overlook the Marvelverse, so I suppose her title is a bit of a misnoma.

I agree with you 100%.

It has just been hard to get anybody else to see that.

She is NOT in charge of the Omniverse.

From what I have read in articles, interviews and on-panel, she is a guardian of Universes that have a "Captain UK". This is due to the connection she has with them and their powers.

And, even these universes are still within the 1 Marvel Multiverse that contains 616.

The thing is ...
In the first DC vs Marvel comics (namely #1) the Omniverse was every reality, all fictional, all that we could, couldent think of and yes even our own.

Then they had to retcon in, to just Amalgam, DC and Marvel.

Then Marvel took the title for itself, and named their:
Multi-verse --> Mega-verse --> Omni-verse.

megaverse was a better description and would have prevented the confusion we have.

roma was also killed by abraxas, wasn't she? role does not equate to power, necessarily.

Originally posted by leonidas
roma was also killed by abraxas, wasn't she?

Yes............. Yes she was.

You correctly interpreted my diagrams (Though the fact that they NEEDED to be interpreted troubles me... Maybe I should be more detailed.)

It was trying to edit your chart, but it's so blurred I couldn't just do the paint-Bucket job i'd hoped to, so I'll maybe try to make a chart that has the kindof "Overhead" View of yours.

I think that your being innaccurat in dipicting different "Oblivion/Anchor" vortex's. I think there's only one.

Originally posted by darthgoober
So the companies each have their own omniverse, independent of one each other, until they acknowledge that they will abide by the others decisions regardin the omniverse.

But untill then, they are seperate.

Originally posted by King Kandy
You correctly interpreted my diagrams (Though the fact that they NEEDED to be interpreted troubles me... Maybe I should be more detailed.)

It was trying to edit your chart, but it's so blurred I couldn't just do the paint-Bucket job i'd hoped to, so I'll maybe try to make a chart that has the kindof "Overhead" View of yours.

I think that your being innaccurat in dipicting different "Oblivion/Anchor" vortex's. I think there's only one.

No, they were fine. The only reason there was need of interpretation, is because my idea for doing this, was so that the folks who had a little more trouble grasping everything, would be able to see it clearly.
I may be totally wrong.
But, to me, it needed no interpretation, and was fine.

When I have time, I will do a cleaner job on the maps with one of my other programs. But, hopefully I got the idea across with what I threw together.

I thinkyour dipiction of the Oblivion/Anchor phenomenon was right on the money.
I was just trying to see how it might look from a distance, within a Multiverse. It was just an idea. But, your image was very clean.

Originally posted by Green Arrow
I agree with this and will expand on it. Infinity is nothing new to concepts such as this. These omniverses are constantly expanding with new comics and new stories. Evidently they [b]are seperate. But in time, it could be possible for them to "clash" and become as one. (Such as if the companies merge or something.)

But untill then, they are seperate. [/B]

In the DC/Marvel crossovers so far, the situation was described as being 2 Multiverses. It was explained that there was a lot of difficulty in travelling from 1 Multiverse to another, even within the same Omniverse.

Originally posted by Horrificus
No, they were fine. The only reason there was need of interpretation, is because my idea for doing this, was so that the folks who had a little more trouble grasping everything, would be able to see it clearly.
I may be totally wrong.
But, to me, it needed no interpretation, and was fine.

When I have time, I will do a cleaner job on the maps with one of my other programs. But, hopefully I got the idea across with what I threw together.

I thinkyour dipiction of the Oblivion/Anchor phenomenon was right on the money.
I was just trying to see how it might look from a distance, within a Multiverse. It was just an idea. But, your image was very clean.

Originally posted by King Kandy
No, I'm saying that there's only one, and all existence in "Normal Space" is in it. There isn't one for each Multiverse.

That would mean that:

1. It surrounds the outside of the Marvel Multiverse, and yanks the universes through some kind of tear in space,within the Multiverse.

2. The same thing, except it is pulling them through a kind of hole in the Multiversal boundry.

3. Or, the panels and statements in the story line were mostly symbolic, and what is really happening is the Oblivion Phenomenon is actually a kind of breakdown of reality within the entire Multiverse, that is held at bay by the Anchor phenomenon.

Unfortunately, I would wager that a lot of the stuff we see in the High-Cosmic stories is "symbolism".

Think about it. How many stories have you read that resulted in the end of the or a universe? They sure were not drawn, described or executed in the same ways in each book. Each writer is going to see the events in a different way, and they have.

How would you describe the event?

There's only two things in marvel. Beyond Space, and Normal Space.

Now here's where you need to pay attention.

IF SOMETHING IS NOT IN THE BEYOND REALM, THEN IT'S IN THE VORTEX!

There's only one continuum, and in it is two sectors. Oblivion, and Creation(For lack of a better term.)

Creation is all matter, Energy, Space, Time, Reality, stuff like that.

And Oblivion is a field which rips all of that apart into nothingness.

Oblivion doesn't have Gravity, but rather pulls things in because it is it's nature to pull things in. But for every Unit of force it exerts, Anchors exert equal force to keep the Universe's in place. But when an anchor is old and weak, he can't exert as much force, and Oblivion slowely pulls in that anchors reality. If a replacement can be found, the universe can be re-attached to Creation before too much damage is done.

bump.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I hate to be the one to point this out, but DC and Marvel don't share an omniverse. I know it doesn't really make sense because the omniverse is supposed to be EVERYTHING, but the companies are completely separate in and of themselves. Otherwise, the Chaos Wave(which was stated to be an omniversal threat) would have been a threat to DC also. Think about it, if the companies shared an omniverse, that would mean that the Chaos Wave(which was an omniversal threat) would have been beyond the power of TOAA to stop. Think of it like this, if Marvel had decided to shut down and close the company, and their method of doing this was to leave the Chaos Wave unchecked and have it destroy the entire omniverse on-panel, would that mean that DC would have to shut down too since all of their characters were destroyed?

By the same token, since Pre Recton Beyonder was stated to be everything outside of Marvel's multiverse, that would mean that he was composed of everything in DC also(including the Source). So for events like The Secret Wars & Secret Wars 2, DC shouldn't have been able to produce any of their own books, because all of the beings in DC were messing around in Marvel.

So the companies each have their own omniverse, independent of one each other, until they acknowledge that they will abide by the others decisions regardin the omniverse.

1 The Chaos Wave was stated to POTENTIALLY be an omniversal threat, thats if it was allowed to run rampant. It wasnt. It was in the end stopped by a band of mutants. For all the hyperbole the wave never affected anything but Otherworld, a marvel universe, just like DC omniversal threats only ever affect something in DC. Why? Because unless its made a crossover no company specific story can affect the properties of another company. Referring to something as omniversal threat is just a way of upping the ante, of portraying a greater potential threat than whats come before, thats all. The fact that a threat can be said to be omniversal is not proof enough that they have separate omniverses. That contradicts the very meaning of the word.

The fact that by canon DC exists as Marvel is concerned and vice versa tells you they are a part of the same omniverse yet from different multiverses.

Pre retcon Beyonder was never said to comprise all that existed outside of the Marvel multiverse. That was an interpretation some people got from an ambiguous statement, where he says he was everything from Beyond, forgetting to acknowledge how he said ealier many a time he was everything from the Beyond Realm, the fact that the first issue of Secret Wars 2 said he was all within a universe outside of the Marvel multiverse and the fact that the handbooks during that Pre retcon period stated him to be all within an other dimensional universe.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
1 The Chaos Wave was stated to POTENTIALLY be an omniversal threat, thats if it was allowed to run rampant. It wasnt. It was in the end stopped by a band of mutants. For all the hyperbole the wave never affected anything but Otherworld, a marvel universe, just like DC omniversal threats only ever affect something in DC. Why? Because unless its made a crossover no company specific story can affect the properties of another company. Referring to something as omniversal threat is just a way of upping the ante, of portraying a greater potential threat than whats come before, thats all. The fact that a threat can be said to be omniversal is not proof enough that they have separate omniverses. That contradicts the very meaning of the word.

The fact that by canon DC exists as Marvel is concerned and vice versa tells you they are a part of the same omniverse yet from different multiverses.

Pre retcon Beyonder was never said to comprise all that existed outside of the Marvel multiverse. That was an interpretation some people got from an ambiguous statement, where he says he was everything from Beyond, forgetting to acknowledge how he said ealier many a time he was everything from the Beyond Realm, the fact that the first issue of Secret Wars 2 said he was all within a universe outside of the Marvel multiverse and the fact that the handbooks during that Pre retcon period stated him to be all within an other dimensional universe.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
For all the hyperbole the wave never affected anything but Otherworld, a marvel universe,

The Chaos Wave took down COUNTLESS UNIVERSES, but don't expect to here that from this person:

"Your Dimension is a Cancer, bringing DEVASTATION to BRANES (Universes) ALL ALONG the SIDEREAL STRING"

"Sparing Yours condemns the REST"

The rest of this post, need not be addressed.

😆

It's been a while since we splashed around in THIS mess! 😉

I'm curious to see if there are any new interpretations, or canonical changes made in the books out there.

could darthgoober and mr. master just leave this fourm is obvious the don't want to be in this conversation and no one want them in the conversation. 😛 I'm almost positive that either of them is GamorasBigDaddy from comicvine, because honest to god this is what they post "I got more proof/scans to come." lol

Also the defintion of the omniverse could be found in The Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe 2004 which says "the omniverse is the collection of every single universe, multiverse, dimension (alternate or pocket) and realm. This includes not only Marvel Comics, but also DC Comics, Image, Dark Horse, Archie, TMNT, Harvey, and every universe ever mentioned or seen (and an infinite amount never mentioned or seen) including our own world. Everything is in the Omniverse, and there is only one Omniverse." 😄 Plus It includes every single literary, television show, movie, urban legend, universe, realm, etc. ever.

Originally posted by mr.enigma
Also the defintion of the omniverse could be found in The Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe 2004 which says "the omniverse is the collection of every single universe, multiverse, dimension (alternate or pocket) and realm. This includes not only Marvel Comics, but also DC Comics, Image, Dark Horse, Archie, TMNT, Harvey, and every universe ever mentioned or seen (and an infinite amount never mentioned or seen) including our own world. Everything is in the Omniverse, and there is only one Omniverse." 😄 Plus It includes every single literary, television show, movie, urban legend, universe, realm, etc. ever.

A truly integrated Omniverse would be damn cool, but in reality, it's all secondary to the real final reality: $$$.

Originally posted by Mindship
This is what I thought. The Omniverse is the 'real universe' which includes all the comic multiverses. But getting all the companies to agree to this is a whole other matter, especially with intercompany rivalry and one-upmanship driven by who can outsell who. Ie, the Fantastic Four saving the multiverse simply can't compare to Superman saving the omniverse.

A truly integrated Omniverse would be damn cool, but in reality, it's all secondary to the real final reality: $$$.